On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Jameson Quinn <[email protected]> wrote:
> The equal-top-ranking voters are not the ones who have a right to complain > about a CC violation. Quite so. The equal-top-ranking voters would have a right to complain only if their ballots weren't counted in a way that reflects their wishes and intent. They wouldn't complain about ICT's count. You said: > The ones who vote for the [unimproved] CW over the winner are [the ones who > have a right to complain about an unimproved CC violation]. [endquote] No, I disagree. The ones who vote for the (unimproved) CW over the winner have no right to complain, as long as their preferences are duly counted--as they are in ICT. They certainly have no right to complain about how someone else uses _their_ voting power, even if that use of voting power results in the defeat to the unimproved CW whom they voted over the winner. > You > claim, they are not a majority, so the majority who top-ranked or voted for > the winner should be more important. My arguments didn't mention majority. > So essentially, you are arguing that > the majority CC is the "meaningful" CC. No, I didn't mention majority or the Majority Condorcet Criterion. I repeat that I haven't been talking about MCC. I've been talking about CC. > Which is a perfectly valid position, > and one I largely agree with. And in my opinion, saying it that way is more > convincing than the seemingly circular argument that ICT is a good system > because ICT's definition of "beats" is a good definition. No, that isn't a circular argument. Yes, ICT as a good system, because its definition of "beats" is a good definition. Yes, the use of CC with ICT's definition of "beats" is valid and justified because ICT's definition of "beats" is a good definition. What would make it a circular argument would be if I said that the reason why ICT's definition of "beats" is a good definition is because ICT uses it, or because its use in CC makes ICT pass CC. I didn't say either of those things. Mike Ossipoff ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
