Ed and Peter,
Ed Pastore said:
> I think what might help here is if you present an elevator pitch for
> the whole concept. ... In written form, that means something like a
> paragraph. Can you encapsulate the whole idea that way? ... and
> then perhaps the particulars will sort themselves out internally...
Suppose we had an election-methods expert cornered on the elevator. I
would pitch it as a technical challenge, like this:
Consider that an open primary is like a political party in which the
members are the general public. If such a "public party" were to
succeed in building a primary turnout to rival that of the major
political parties, then it would come thereafter to win all
elections. Is this likely to prove true, or false? [1]
If the experts in the EM list find no fault with the argument, then it
might be worth pitching to a wider audience. Maybe as a slide show?
But Thomas's idea of forcing open Facebook is equally promising, as is
Mitch's offer to share/mirror votes at a technical level. [2][3]
Peter Zbornik said:
> I think de-constructing the political party is a good idea. Your
> primary electoral system could work out after practicalities having
> been sorted out.
Thanks Peter for looking at the argument. I like how you refer to it
as de-constructing the political party. I think that's technically
correct.
> However your proposal almost exclusively focused on the primary
> electoral system and not the primary legislative system. After the
> top candidates of the public party have been elected in all public
> elections, then what happens?
I should add something about this to the wiki. Each public party has
a primary legislative system and all the systems are interlinked by
the vote mirroring network. Each person is thus free to choose a
toolset and practices that meet his/her personal needs. Elected law
makers may also participate if they wish. If a majority of them
happen to agree to a primary bill at some point, they may floor it in
the legislature and promulgate it. Their re-election prospects will
be simultaneously revealed in the electoral primaries, which continue
to run non-stop.
[1] The detailed argument is here:
http://metagovernment.org/wiki/User:Michael_Allan/Public_parties
[2]
http://metagovernment.org/pipermail/start_metagovernment.org/2012-July/004898.html
BTW, vote mirroring is also an original idea of Thomas's.
[3]
http://metagovernment.org/pipermail/start_metagovernment.org/2012-August/004910.html
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Ed Pastore said:
> Responding to Michael's full response to me, below. I guess I don't get how
> the system then takes hold in the public consciousness. We know
> build-it-and-they-will-come doesn't really work most of the time for this
> sort of thing. We need a really compelling motivation.
>
> I think what might help here is if you present an elevator pitch for the
> whole concept. If you're not familiar, the idea is you are in an elevator
> with a significant person and have until you get to her floor to introduce
> yourself and sell your idea to her. In written form, that means something
> like a paragraph. Can you encapsulate the whole idea that way? That may make
> it easier for people to wrap their minds around the whole general concept,
> and then perhaps the particulars will sort themselves out internally...
>
> (Note, elevator pitches can be quite hard to develop. There's a famous Pascal
> line at the end of a long missive that translates basically to: "I made this
> letter very long, because I did not have the leisure to make it shorter.")
Peter Zbornik said:
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thank you for structuring up the discussion.
> I think de-constructing the political party is a good idea.
> Your primary electoral system could work out after practicalities having
> been sorted out.
> However your proposal almost exclusively focused on the primary electoral
> system and not the primary legislative system.
> After the top candidates of the public party have been elected in all
> public elections, then what happens?
>
> Peter
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