On 14.11.2012, at 15.21, Michael Ossipoff wrote:

> There's no "best winner". We've been over that. But, if you really
> want a best winner, then look at the significant social optimizations
> of Approval and Score.

There may be different elections with different needs. The society is free to 
decide what criterion to use for each need. If you want to elect a candidate 
that gets a high sum of ratings, why not use Score. If you want to elect the 
most approved candidate, use Approval. If you want to elect a candidate that is 
preferred over all others, use Condorcet. (Take also the nature of the society 
into account since the votes may not be sincre enough.)

> Maybe, then, people should reluctantly give up the
> elusive goal of electing the CW. That's my take. Just work on reducing
> strategy needs, eliminating the worst strategy needs.

I'm more optimistic. My guess is that in most societies voters are sincere 
enough.

> But, what if there are 20 or 30 candidates? Wouldn't you prefer a
> method that doesn't make you need to rank the unacceptables?

In methods with 20 or 30 candidates many of the candidates may be irrelevant 
either in the sense that they will certainly not win, or in the sense that the 
voter doesn't care which one of the remaining candiates wins. In those cases 
truncation is quite ok. No information lost. It would however be good if the 
voters would rank all but one of those unacceptables that are potential winners 
(if the voter has such preferences).

> if ranking unacceptables is distasteful to you (as it is to me)

You should think that you are telling that the worst candidate is even worse 
than the second worst. That's what Condorcet methods anyway typically do, i.e. 
focus on pairwise losses rather than wins. That could make ranking of the worst 
candidates a pleasant experience. :-)

Juho




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