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> From: "aGREATER.US" <[email protected]>
> Date: November 26, 2012, 9:38:06 PM EST
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [EM] Advocacy
> 
> I'm open to a better voting method. ;o)
> 
> Here are some constraints. It is my experience that because policy work is so 
> complex, most folk take a pass. That is why I designed this with only 500 
> word summaries. I wrote the first five items, and I couldn't reach a 
> cognizant solution in less words. Tom Atlee, arguably the dean of modern 
> democracy theory in the US has said my method is valid as long as I get 
> enough participants. On the other hand,  Jim Wise has shown that as few as a 
> dozen people can arrive at a solution a wider universe will endorse. See the 
> MacLeans People's Verdict study. I'm not sure my process is as much an 
> election as it is a winnowing of choice creation. My site is threefold, some 
> ideas are reflective almost immediately and they are mostly the well known 
> items, then there are original yet somewhat mainstream ideas that take awhile 
> for the dear readers to digest, and lastly there are outside the box ideas 
> that will take a good while to seek their level. It has been said that people 
> really don't fear change they do fear loss. And some ideas on my site 
> challenge a person's core beliefs and that's not necessarily a welcome thing 
> to many people. I on the other hand have changed my mind on some loooong held 
> beliefs this year both left and right, and believe I am better off for it. 
> 
> Cheers
> Jon 
> 
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> 
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Richard Fobes <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I gave 5 stars to the Ban Single Mark Ballots proposal.
>> 
>> FYI, I did not post that proposal.  Jon Denn posted the proposal using the 
>> executive summary he copied from the website copy of the Google Docs 
>> original.
>> 
>> (I did work with Jon to post there a tax-reform proposal named "Tax The 
>> Takers More Than The Makers.")
>> 
>> Based on the vote-counting method used at the site -- it uses score ballots 
>> -- I was tempted to vote one star for the "competing" "American 
>> Anti-Corruption Act."  But I didn't.  I gave it 5 stars too.
>> 
>> This sheds light on a question someone else posed: Why aren't better voting 
>> methods actually used in small organizations?  The choice of which method is 
>> "best" is not obvious.  And when voting is done by people who understand how 
>> to vote strategically, the strategy-vulnerable methods -- in this case 
>> score-ballot-based counting -- easily produce unrepresentative results.
>> 
>> Richard Fobes
>> 
>> On 11/26/2012 10:02 AM, Jonathan Denn wrote:
>>> United Republic has a new high profile attempt at change with the
>>> American Anti-Corruption Act. Of course, it doesn't address Banning
>>> Single Mark Ballots. On my site BSMB has an 83% approval rating which is
>>> a weighted average of conservatives, independents, and liberals. While
>>> this is a very good rating, even greater, it really needs to be up in
>>> the 90s to get real notice. So, if you could take a few moments, go to
>>> aGREATER.US <http://aGREATER.US>, sign up (it just takes a minute),
>>> click on http://www.agreater.us/billpage.php?id=400 , and give it 5
>>> stars: I can then more confidently push this in my meetings and tweets.
>>> Also, UR has some real juice, so if their folk come to rate AACA and
>>> then hang out for awhile they may learn about (y)our efforts.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jon
>> 
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