Hey guys, I figure we should update this since the contributor meeting. There it felt like the way forward was to fix the couple of bugs and keep it around for Luna. I guess the GNOME one doesn't support transitions if Nautilus doesn't draw the wallpaper or something crazy like that.
Can anyone with some more knowledge in the matter chime in? :P Regards, Cassidy James Sent from my spaceship. On Apr 4, 2012 5:13 PM, "Avi Romanoff" <[email protected]> wrote: > Big +1 from me. > > It's basically an abandoned project (and has been for months), and some > core integration features are still missing, to say nothing of the fact > that it's riddled with serious bugs. > > Avi > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Cassidy James <[email protected]> wrote: > >> At first I was pretty against this... ("All that work down the drain!") >> But it seems the best option for Luna. Its original purpose is no longer >> relevant, and it's not needed for Luna. >> >> As far as post-Luna is concerned, I'm definitely interested in using >> Pantheon Wallpaper and other customer Pantheon solutions to supplant the >> GNOME counterparts if they're genuinely better. However it's also important >> to not let pride get in our way; GNOME has been doing this longer than us >> and is doing some awesome things with GNOME 3 compared to the legacy GNOME >> 2 that we were used to when we started with Pantheon. >> >> Regards, >> Cassidy James >> On Mar 29, 2012 10:13 PM, "Victor Eduardo" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I agree. *pantheon-wallpaper* is still not ready for Luna. All the >>> planned cool features supporting the effort are yet to be implemented and >>> since GNOME doesn't depend on Nautilus to render the wallpaper anymore, it >>> would be a clever move to just use that. Pantheon is just a shell, while >>> GNOME is a desktop environment and we depend on it anyway.* *Plus eOS >>> will be super lightweight without it.* >>> * >>> I don't know if dropping the project is a good idea, but we definitely >>> don't want pantheon-wallpaper to be shipped in Luna in its current state. >>> >>> Also, the most popular applications (Shotwell, etc.) are designed for >>> use in the GNOME platform, and we want the OS to be compatible with the >>> current spec. The new desktop-agnostic implementation should be introduced >>> after Luna. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Сергей <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everybody, >>>> >>>> it's hard to admit it, but pantheon-wallpaper probably won't make it >>>> for Luna. It has dreadful bugs like >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pantheon-wallpaper/+bug/814948 or >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pantheon-wallpaper/+bug/886633 and no >>>> active maintainer. >>>> >>>> Moreover, I think it's no longer relevant. It was started back when >>>> Nautilus was drawing wallpaper. Nowadays GNOME wallpaper is drawn by >>>> gnome-settings-daemon, so the advantage of being standalone is no >>>> longer relevant. Pantheon-wallpaper uses Cairo for rendering and >>>> therefore its transitions are smoother, but I've compared them on a >>>> laptop back from 2005 and I can't say pantheon-wallpaper is *much* >>>> smoother. In addition, GNOME implementation supports interfaces about >>>> which we haven't even dreamed about yet, e.g. libvte >>>> semi-transparency, Ubuntu lock screen, etc, and its way of storing >>>> configs is already widely supported. >>>> >>>> Smooth transitions are a job of GPU drivers. Client-side workarounds >>>> for that are not a good idea. GDK pixbuf which is [probably] used by >>>> gnome-settings-daemon is more likely to get performance improvements >>>> from GPU drivers than Cairo. Latest Intel drivers boost its >>>> performance many times compared to previous versions, while Cairo >>>> performance is largely unchanged. >>>> >>>> Maintaining a custom solution for the sake of improvement >>>> opportunities doesn't make much sense either. Most features like >>>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/pantheon-wallpaper/+spec/focus-blur >>>> should be implemented as standalone daemons telling the wallpaper what >>>> to do, not inside wallpaper service to bloat it with potentially >>>> unused features. >>>> And it's very unlikely that we'll drop gnome-settings-daemon in the >>>> foreseeable future, so the original problem which led to creation of >>>> pantheon-wallpaper is extremely unlikely to reappear. >>>> >>>> Given all of the above, I propose dropping pantheon-wallpaper >>>> completely. It's not worth the effort. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >
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