I agree with munchor's dog fooding reference but do not agree with the other part. When i started contributing to elementary project (which is quite recently ;)) i had never done serious linux app development. I came from a mainly web and c# for desktop background although after completely moving to linux few years ago the c# part had stopped. It was a little hard For me to find good tools for development, the guys at #elementary-dev (you all) suggested scratch-text-editor which i couldn't you (still can't) so i continued using Sublime Text which i had been using for web dev and now i am pretty comfortable with it.
There should be a recommended set of tools for a programmer to begin with. He/she can later pick up or drop tools according to their preference. Voldyman On 04-Sep-2012, at 11:31 PM, David Gomes <[email protected]> wrote: > Shipping more packages in my opinion is anti-developping philosophy. Each > developer has his own preferred tools. Shipping more text editors, more > libraries, etc is just more bloat in my opinion. Ubuntu and its derivatives > have enough bloat already, since most of these distributions ship with more > than 2000 packages. In my system I have around 1000 packages installed, but > it came with around 600. > > Besides, developers should face bugs. It's the best way we can know about > them and fix them (see > http://elementaryos.org/journal/eating-our-own-dog-food). > > If you want the libraries needed for developing our software, just use "sudo > apt-get source", any developer should know how to get this kind of tools. > Using bazaar to branch and build our tools from source is also something our > developers must know how to do. > > This "iso" has no real advantages in my honest opinion. > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva > <[email protected]> wrote: > Today while talking to some fine folks at #elementary-dev that go by the > handles of > victored and voluntatefaber , I wondered if there was any iso build > ready to start working/developing > for elementary. > Now what would be the advantages of having the extra work on getting > this iso out. > > 1) Errors and bugs can be very damaging to a development environment, > which lead to a constant fight wen testing highly unstable > packages. This makes the developer hell much bigger since everyone tends > to test and run this packages in a somewhat different configuration. > In case of failure, the developer then needs re-set the development > environment to a known stage. This can be very time consuming, > that could be in better use. > It would also reduce the potential hidden errors, and the known phrase > "That's weird, It works in my machine". > > 2) Individuals that want to start developing in/for elementary could > start right away hacking their way in. And if for some reason they mess > up big time, > guess what ? The iso is right there, re-install, start fresh. > > Now I am fully aware that maybe this would be a hard work, and possibly > limiting to the fact that having everything shipped, would mean larger > iso images > which then could be "bad" in terms of upload + updated state of the iso. > So another idea to support this view would go towards a "Elementary > Developer MetaPackage" that would take care of preparing a nice > development environment. > > Please feel free to contact me, on any elementary subject. I'll be glade > to reply as soon as I can. > > -- > Darcy Brás da Silva <[email protected]> > > > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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