On Mon 19 Nov 2012 07:50:49 PM EET, Victor Eduardo wrote: > Thanks for your replies, I agree with most of the comments. Some > clarifications: > > 1. I'm not proposing Tempo as the new name. We'd still need to > evaluate alternatives. If it were my choice I would have re-named > the player to "Melody" a long time ago. > 2. Currently, the _only reason_ motivating the rename is the negative > connotation of the word "noise" in its primary meaning: /Sound or > a sound that is loud, unpleasant, unexpected, or undesired/. Of > course this is not a problem if you think of the word as in "music > genre". This is not a problem in other languages either, since app > names are not translated. > 3. I decided to name the (BeatBox) fork "Noise" because that's the > name Daniel's mockups were using initially, and it was fine until > people heard about it and started complaining about the negative > feeling conveyed by the new name. > > > In conclusion, the primary motivation behind this proposal is having a > more marketable name. In my humble opinion, "creating confusion" is > not really a solid argument against; Luna is still in beta stage and > we are still free to move our pieces before the final release. > > On the technical side, as far as I know, Launchpad is smart enough to > update all the non-external links (blueprints, etc.) after renaming > the project. Updating the code wouldn't take more than 2-3 hours of my > time, or Corentin's time, at a rough estimation. It shouldn't take > much time on the packager's either. > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM, David Gomes <da...@elementaryos.org > <mailto:da...@elementaryos.org>> wrote: > > I wouldn't call this a rename. The App name would be Noise, for > all effects, but it would be installed under the name of Media Player. > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Darcy Brás da Silva > <dardeve...@cidadecool.com <mailto:dardeve...@cidadecool.com>> wrote: > > I think that translating names would only make sense if the > names were > like 'web browser, media player, and so on' else they are > primary nouns > and so not translatable. > > I think there is no gain in changing the name at this point, > else then > showing project immaturity. At this point the name already > changed once, > and was due to developer conflict of interests. Changing again > may just > lead to confusion and make people think that it happened > again. Even > with proper disclaimers is to easy to pass the wrong message. > Not to mention some people contributed to a previous pool when > the name > 'noise' was selected, now a pool made in FB a contrived medium > which a > lot of good people don't use for whatever reasons they deem > does not > seem fair to the community that contributed before or the ones > that > don't use FB. > > Those are my two cents on this matter. > > On Mon, 2012-11-19 at 16:38 -0005, Benjamin VanMeggelen wrote: > > I understand the issue with the translation. From what I > understand > > (as french being my second language) the translation from > Noise to > > french is Bruit. I'm not sure if the application titles have > been (or > > will be) translated, but if so "Bruit" gives the same proper > > description of what Noise is in english. > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Corentin Noël > <tin...@mailoo.org <mailto:tin...@mailoo.org>> > > wrote: > > > Okay, I disagree with you all then because in my language > (french) > > > there is two way to pronounce that : > > > In french, and that word exists and means "problems" > > > In english, and that is really hard because there is an > double voyel > > > (no-ise) so it's not that good for us. > > > I let the democracy choose, but here are my two cents. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Corentin Noël (tintou) > > > > > > Benjamin VanMeggelen a écrit : > > > > > > >I also agree that Noise is an appropriate name for the > player. I > > > feel that this naming scheme is most relevant to the > player, as > > > opposed to Tempo or some of the others that have been > mentioned. > > > Noise seems more generic and straight-forward as to what > the app is > > > meant to do. > > > > > > > >On Mon, 19 Nov, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Felix Akkermans wrote: > > > >I also agree with Jaap. Both names are equal to me in > > > communicational value, so definitely not worth the effort and > > > hassle. > > > > > > > >On 11/19/2012 03:46 PM, Chris Triantafillis wrote: > > > >I agree with Jaap and i'm against rename it... > > > >Also i don't like Tempo, Noise is much better... > > > > > > > > > > > >2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen > > > >Don't we already present Noise in the OS as a music > player? Doesn't > > > the icon have the purpose of showing the user what the app > probably > > > does? > > > > > > > >IMO "Noise" relates more to music than "Tempo" does. > Also, if we > > > are going this way with Noise because the name should > directly show > > > people what the app does, we should probably rename Geary > and Midori > > > too. And the makers of Empathy, Skype, Spotify, Steam, > Firefox, > > > Opera, Launchpad, Google Plus, Banshee, Clementine should > probably > > > have to start to think about a new name too. > > > > > > > >When we moved from Beatbox to our own fork the choice was > made to > > > name it "Noise". That already resulted in some confusion > among the > > > users. Renaming it again will only yet again result in more > > > confusion. > > > > > > > >There will always be people who say a certain name is not > good for > > > the app, or that it is weird. The same will happen when > you rename > > > it to "Tempo", or any other name for that matter. > > > > > > > >IMO Noise should only be renamed if there is a really, > really good > > > reason to, and some users complaining it may sound > negative is a > > > good reason, i think. Also when you choose to rename it, > the new > > > name should be significantly better than the old name, if > you want > > > to show the confused users that it was really necessary > and useful > > > to make the change. > > > > > > > >Just my two cents, > > > >Jaap > > > > > > > >Op ma, nov 19, 2012 at 3:14 ,David Gomes schreef: > > > > > > > >It's trivial to you because you know what Noise is. It's > a media > > > player, you know it. > > > > > > > >For people who don't, it's better if that name it is > installed > > > under in the computer is "Music Player" or something like > that. It's > > > easier for most people. > > > > > > > > > > > >On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen | > Mobiel wrote: > > > >What is "many"? Seems like a trivial thing to me... > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Jaap > > > > > > > >"Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" schreef: > > > > > > > >>2012/11/19 Jaap Broekhuizen : > > > >>> Is there an actual logical reason to rename Noise? > > > >> > > > >>"Noise" is perceived as something negative by many (the > kind of > > > people > > > >>who are not crazy about metal or industrial), that's it > AFAIK. > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >>Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff > > > >>OS architect @ elementary > > > >-- > > > >Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > > > >Post to : > elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net> > > > >Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > > > >More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > > > >Post to : > elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net> > > > >Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > > > >More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Chris Triantafillis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > > > >Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net> > > > >Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > > > >More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > -- > Darcy Brás da Silva <dardeve...@cidadecool.com > <mailto:dardeve...@cidadecool.com>> > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > >
how about just "Music" as a name? -- O. Alperen Elhan - http://elhan.org Hacettepe University - Computer Engineering -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp