Hello David, Good morning!
I can see how it wouldn't be so easy to switch, and I don't think it would be an easy affair either. Well the benefit from switching in my opinion would be at least switching to a more open and transparent code-review process. debian seems to be more community focused whereas ubuntu is more corporate driven. Would you say that's accurate? In my personal situation, I have decided that if it is not a completely decentralized, open and transparent process, it can be corrupted - either by governmental organizations or by profit motives. Have you seen prism-break.org ? After lengthy discussion, Ubuntu and all ubuntu based derivatives were deemed unfit for the site (by the philosophy of: if you don't trust the source, you can't trust anything downstream of it). Debian is listed as an option on their site as a "strong and ethical distribution". All things considered, elementary is doing fantastic things and I am a strong supporter. Obviously I am not representative of most users, just that the icing on the cake for me would be simplicity, beauty AND security and privacy (of which I think debian offers a better option than ubuntu). Thanks for helping to build a great OS and I look forward to working with you on Photos (my first linux app btw). I love that I've been able to dive right into the code and pick it up so fast. Of course I still have a long way to go and quite a lot more to learn, but I'm loving vala and linux dev so far! Cheers, Tristan On 5 February 2014, at 08:42 , David Gomes wrote: > Hi, > > >In that regard, I am wondering if the team has discussed switching to > debian as the base > Yes, it has been discussed a few times, usually for other reasons > though. > > It's not as simple as editing base="ubuntu" to base="debian", and > unfortunately, most of the people who ask us for it seem to think so. > > >because it seems that ubuntu cares less about their users and privacy > these days. > We are using Ubuntu as a base, we don't ship > ubuntu-desktop and honestly that's where most of the criticism to > Ubuntu's lack of privacy concerns lies - the Amazon in the Dash > thing. We don't have that, so I don't really see how switching to > Debian would help us respect our users' privacy more. > > Cheers, > David > > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Tristan Petersen <trista...@me.com> wrote: > Sergey > > Glad you touched on security & privacy concerns. I am new to the elementary > dev community, but I am wondering if there has been any talk among the team > in this regard. I was drawn to elementary for its simplicity and beauty but > at the same time I have strong concerns about security and privacy, more so > in light of the NSA revelations. > > In that regard, I am wondering if the team has discussed switching to debian > as the base because it seems that ubuntu cares less about their users and > privacy these days. > > Cheers, > Tristan > > > On 4 February 2014, at 23:35 , Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff wrote: > > > Okay, it's there and back again! I've just arrived home, got only 1 hour of > > sleep on the plane, so take everything I say in the next 18 hours with a > > grain of salt. > > > > FOSDEM was tons of fun! I've kicked it off by donating to GNOME - "Hey > > guys, I'm from elementary, we need you to keep up the good work on the > > libraries!", to Libre Graphics Magazine - "Oh, you're from elementary? You > > guys have some great designers!" (btw, great magazine, I definitely > > recommend it to everyone in here who's interested in design), to TOR just > > to get an awesome Snowden poster, and finally running into a guy from Jolla > > totally by accident, finding out the Jollla schedule for the day and then > > sieging him with questions - "Y U NO ship to Russia?!" and so on. > > > > I really look up to the ex-Nokia developers and designers who went on to > > found Jolla - Maemo was a-w-e-s-o-m-e and Sailfish is going to be even > > better! So I proceeded to attend their talk about libhybris and then their > > community roundtable (it seems my experience making distros and poking > > security has come in handy) and finally a community dinner, whee! Now I > > know everything I ever wanted about their phone, even got to play with one > > for a while. Also chatted with the developers (my N900 caused quite some > > nostalgia), plus I got a free hat with "Jolla" on it. Fanboy's dream come > > true, that! > > > > I kinda missed having an elementary tee, I guess I should have ordered one > > in advance. No instant props out of nowhere! Looking back, I don't think I > > ever did anything not worthy of a representative of the project (for > > once!), so hopefully next year... > > Too bad nobody else of ours made it there - or just never told me? I'd love > > to meet you guys in person. In your absence I had to hit up random Mozilla > > guys and discussing fun stuff like Rust and Serval. When I could find them, > > anyway :( > > > > And man, the talks! There were just so many of them! I'll be watching the > > ones I missed later on the recordings for sure. No way you can attend all > > the interesting ones in just two days. For the security- and > > privacy-concerned like me I especially recommend the "NSA operation > > ORCHESTRA" keynote, it's great. Software archeology also, for the general > > audience. And "What's cooking in GStreamer" will be interesting to people > > who work with it. > > > > By the way, Brussels itself is very nice - amazing sculptures everywhere! A > > lot of lions among them, too. The royal square alone can be studied for > > hours. 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