Technicalities aside, isn't the spirit of that license essentially: "if you make money off BDB, we should too". So SVN is a product that is free, BDB is too. I also thought that commercial web sites using BDB as a store were intended to be covered too - that seems to be the community concensus.

It's the definition of linking that is usually troublesome with Lisp and licensing. If we look at it like Python as you intend below, then only the Lisp image itself need be open source (i.e. SBCL). However Lisp is also compiled and dynamically linked with the image, which tends to make us look a little bit more like a dynamically linked program that GNU, in general, considers part of the application (i.e. contaminated)

Has anyone ever really ruled on this point in the Lisp community? This is in large part the reason for the LLGPL approach that Franz takes. The GPL technically says that a GPL library contaminates the whole lisp image, including application code. This is why I advocated the switch of the Elephant code license from GPL to LLPGL.

Actually, Franz might have some light to shed on this (they clearly had to pay for AllegroStore, but they might understand the licensing issues better).

Ian

On Feb 13, 2008, at 3:41 AM, Leslie P. Polzer wrote:


I recently purchased LispWorks for Windows. Downloaded Elephant and was able to make it work with BDB. Thanks (and congrats!) for such a nice package. I have heard that QDBM is much better than BDB in terms of performance and does not have the same licensing issues
(there are royalty payments for embeding BDB in an application).

IANAL, but the licensing FAQ has a case that can be made be analogous to Elephant:

“Do I have to pay for a Berkeley DB license to use it in my Perl or Python scripts?

No, you may use the Berkeley DB open source license at no cost. The Berkeley DB open source license requires that software that uses Berkeley DB be freely redistributable. In the case of Perl or Python, that software is Perl or Python, and not your scripts. Any scripts you write are your property, including scripts that make use of Berkeley DB. None of the Perl, Python or Berkeley DB licenses place any restrictions on what you may
do with them.”[1]

Also, when we talk about QDBM, I must ask: do you know of its successor, Tokyo Cabinet[2]?

 Leslie


[1] 
http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/berkeley-db/htdocs/licensing.html
[2] http://tokyocabinet.sourceforge.net/

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