Let's try starting with a IEx.configure(dot_iex: ...) for now. We could
always support making it a list in the future for multiple paths.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 9:42 PM Chris Miller <camiller...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > That's tricky, because nowhere in IEx ends-up loading multiple dot_iex
> files, so it would be a departure.
> Very true - while it is technically trivial to load multiple files it is a
> departure workflow wise and you _could_ end up with some conflicts between
> the files - that being said, that why I had originally though a different
> key name would provide a different context for the two things - there could
> be the existing dot-iex concept that would work the same way as it
> currently does with the addition of an IEx.Config.configuration_file(s?)
> that would be an additional file(s) that are loaded either before or after
> the dot-iex file
>
> > But you can always emulate multiple files with import_if_available.
> This is also very true! I think the only potential downside I could think
> of for this is that it would be slightly more restrictive than the multiple
> file approach.  If you had a `dot-iex` file configured in your project and
> then ran `iex --dot-iex other_file.exs -S mix` you may be confused by the
> fact that your file didn't get loaded as expected
>
> That being said - I defer to your judgement on the best approach here and
> if this is valuable!
> As always, really appreciate your time and all of your work!
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 2:29 PM José Valim <jose.va...@dashbit.co> wrote:
>
>> That's tricky, because nowhere in IEx ends-up loading multiple dot_iex
>> files, so it would be a departure. But you can always emulate multiple
>> files with import_if_available.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 9:26 PM Chris Miller <camiller...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that would get us pretty close to the behavior I was hoping for
>>> - but I was generally hoping that instead of taking precedence over an
>>> existing dot-iex configured file it could be used in addition to the
>>> existing dot-iex file.  This might be hyper specific to my individual
>>> workflow, but I was hoping that we could add a feature to allow for
>>> application level configuration while also still using the existing dot-iex
>>> files to provide local configuration
>>>
>>> An example would be that we would use the new application level
>>> configuration to import some helper function and cat out some introduction
>>> / instruction to the prompt, while the local would be some functions or
>>> data that I as a developer have around for development / debugging but are
>>> very specific to my development.
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts on this multi-file configuration?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 2:19 PM José Valim <jose.va...@dashbit.co> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, we can add a IEx.configure(dot_iex: "..."), which takes
>>>> precedence over the other ones if set. And we should read it in the same
>>>> place we read everything else.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 9:08 PM Chris Miller <camiller...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hadn't considered the config, but thats an interesting thought - not
>>>>> entirely sure if I totally get your though on the matter, but I was able 
>>>>> to
>>>>> extend the IEx.Config to track a new key (:configuration_files) and then
>>>>> extended the IEx.Evaluator to pull that value from the config and load the
>>>>> configured files plus the `.iex.exs` file.  This allows the feature to be
>>>>> used either through a call to `IEx.configure/1` before the evaluator
>>>>> starts, or the config can be added into any config file, which would allow
>>>>> you to easily swap config files per env if desired
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 1:50:44 PM UTC-5 José Valim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if you could call something like "IEx.configure(...)" from
>>>>>> the top of your mix.exs and that would be enough to configure its 
>>>>>> location.
>>>>>> Or maybe it would only require a small tweak to make it work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 8:22 PM Chris Miller <camil...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually - I am a little confused by the startup dependencies
>>>>>>> between mix and iex as it seems like the Evaluator is starting after mix
>>>>>>> (or at least that how it appears in my tests), this patch to the
>>>>>>> IEx.Evaluator seems to accomplish what I was hoping to achieve (but it 
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> make IEx depend on Mix which may have been something you wanted to 
>>>>>>> avoid,
>>>>>>> but perhaps there is some more abstract way of getting this information
>>>>>>> from the mix project to the evaluator)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ```elixir
>>>>>>>   defp load_dot_iex(state, path) do
>>>>>>>     candidates =
>>>>>>>       if path do
>>>>>>>         [path]
>>>>>>>       else
>>>>>>>         # Do not assume there is a $HOME
>>>>>>>         for dir <- [".", System.get_env("IEX_HOME") ||
>>>>>>> System.user_home()],
>>>>>>>             dir != nil,
>>>>>>>             do: dir |> Path.join(".iex.exs") |> Path.expand()
>>>>>>>       end
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     mix_config_file =
>>>>>>> List.wrap(Mix.Project.get().cli()[:iex_configuration_file])
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     candidates
>>>>>>>     |> Enum.filter(&File.regular?/1)
>>>>>>>     |> Enum.take(1)
>>>>>>>     |> Enum.concat(mix_config_file)
>>>>>>>     |> Enum.reduce(state, fn path, state ->
>>>>>>>       eval_dot_iex(state, path)
>>>>>>>     end)
>>>>>>>   end
>>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>> Once again - sorry for the noise if this in not a feature you are
>>>>>>> interested in introducing!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 12:43:09 PM UTC-5 Chris Miller wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply Jose!  The dependency order makes sense as an
>>>>>>>> issue with my initial thought - one other approach is that a project 
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> define its own method of configuring IEx if there were a hook to allow 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> - looking at the IEx.Evaluator I was able to make a pretty small patch 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> allow for this type of configuration by adding a new public function 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> extending the `loop` function
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ```elixir
>>>>>>>>   @spec load_dot_iex(pid, pid, String.t()) :: :ok | :error
>>>>>>>>   def load_dot_iex(evaluator, server, path) do
>>>>>>>>     ref = make_ref()
>>>>>>>>     send(evaluator, {:load_dot_iex, server, ref, self(), path})
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     receive do
>>>>>>>>       {^ref, result} -> result
>>>>>>>>     after
>>>>>>>>       5000 -> :error
>>>>>>>>     end
>>>>>>>>   end
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   defp loop(%{server: server, ref: ref} = state) do
>>>>>>>>     receive do
>>>>>>>>       {:eval, ^server, code, counter, parser_state} ->
>>>>>>>>         {status, parser_state, state} = parse_eval_inspect(code,
>>>>>>>> counter, parser_state, state)
>>>>>>>>         send(server, {:evaled, self(), status, parser_state})
>>>>>>>>         loop(state)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       {:fields_from_env, ^server, ref, receiver, fields} ->
>>>>>>>>         send(receiver, {ref, Map.take(state.env, fields)})
>>>>>>>>         loop(state)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       {:value_from_binding, ^server, ref, receiver, var_name,
>>>>>>>> map_key_path} ->
>>>>>>>>         value = traverse_binding(state.binding, var_name,
>>>>>>>> map_key_path)
>>>>>>>>         send(receiver, {ref, value})
>>>>>>>>         loop(state)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       {:variables_from_binding, ^server, ref, receiver, var_prefix}
>>>>>>>> ->
>>>>>>>>         value = find_matched_variables(state.binding, var_prefix)
>>>>>>>>         send(receiver, {ref, value})
>>>>>>>>         loop(state)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       # NEW RECEIVE CASE TO LOAD A DOT IEX FILE PROGRAMMATICALY
>>>>>>>>       {:load_dot_iex, ^server, ref, receiver, path} ->
>>>>>>>>         next_state = load_dot_iex(state, path)
>>>>>>>>         send(receiver, {ref, :ok})
>>>>>>>>         loop(next_state)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       {:done, ^server, next?} ->
>>>>>>>>         {:ok, next?}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       {:done, ^ref, next?} ->
>>>>>>>>         {:ok, next?}
>>>>>>>>     end
>>>>>>>>   end
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that combining this overriding the default mix task would
>>>>>>>> allow for the type of configuration that I was hoping to achieve - or 
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> there is desire for this functionality a small change could be 
>>>>>>>> incorporated
>>>>>>>> into mix to do this as a feature using
>>>>>>>> `project.cli()[:iex_configuration_file]` or something of the sort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you don't think any of this is necessary in Elixir proper I can
>>>>>>>> move my work towards something at the project level, but wanted to see 
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> there was any interest in upstreaming this concept
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 11:40:51 AM UTC-5 José Valim wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Chris, thanks for writing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > • will be used when `iex` is run from that directory not in the
>>>>>>>>> context of that mix project
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The reason this happens is exactly because IEx starts before Mix,
>>>>>>>>> so we can't  use Mix to configure IEx. And I think that will get in 
>>>>>>>>> the way
>>>>>>>>> of your proposal too. I hope this helps narrow down a bit the paths to
>>>>>>>>> explore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 4:23 PM Chris Miller <camil...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Currently we use the `dot-iex` file to configure an iex shell.
>>>>>>>>>> The `dot-iex` file that gets loaded is the first of these three 
>>>>>>>>>> things that
>>>>>>>>>> is found
>>>>>>>>>> • --dot-iex PATH command line argument supplied to the iex command
>>>>>>>>>> • '.iex.exs' file in the directory that iex is run from
>>>>>>>>>> • '.iex.exs' file in directory found in the env var "IEX_HOME" OR
>>>>>>>>>> the users home directory
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The issue I am facing currently is that project level shell
>>>>>>>>>> configuration is hard to manage in a way that achieves these goals
>>>>>>>>>> • will apply configuration when running a shell in the context of
>>>>>>>>>> a particular (mix) project
>>>>>>>>>> • will allow for a developer to apply their own particular
>>>>>>>>>> customization
>>>>>>>>>> • does not require any additional scripts / arguments to start
>>>>>>>>>> the project
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Existing partial solutions for a project level iex configuration
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> • create and commit a `.iex.exs` file for the project
>>>>>>>>>> -- PROS:
>>>>>>>>>>    • the file will be loaded when `iex -S mix` is run
>>>>>>>>>>    • configuration can be specific to the project as it is part
>>>>>>>>>> of the source code written for the project and tracked through 
>>>>>>>>>> whatever svc
>>>>>>>>>> is used
>>>>>>>>>> -- CONS:
>>>>>>>>>>     • does not allow for an individual developer to include their
>>>>>>>>>> own configuration as expected (you could add an
>>>>>>>>>> `import_if_avaiable(".dev.iex.exs")` line to the project level 
>>>>>>>>>> `.iex.exs`
>>>>>>>>>> file to allow for this extension, but it makes the file name 
>>>>>>>>>> arbitrary and
>>>>>>>>>> could cause some confusion)
>>>>>>>>>>     • will be used when `iex` is run from that directory not in
>>>>>>>>>> the context of that mix project
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> • create a project specific configuration file and use the
>>>>>>>>>> --dot-iex command line arg
>>>>>>>>>> -- PROS:
>>>>>>>>>>     • does not interfere with running `iex` outside of the
>>>>>>>>>> context of the mix project
>>>>>>>>>>     • can load additional configuration files by include
>>>>>>>>>> `import_if_avaiable` statements
>>>>>>>>>> -- CONS:
>>>>>>>>>>     • Requires including the --dot-iex arg when running the `iex
>>>>>>>>>> -S mix` command, which is prone to being forgotten, this could be 
>>>>>>>>>> wrapped
>>>>>>>>>> in a very simple start script, but you would still need to remember 
>>>>>>>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>>> that (I work with a largish number of elixir services and having 
>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>> start scripts or args per project can be cumbersome to remember)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think an ideal solution would be a way to configure a mix
>>>>>>>>>> project to load a particular configuration file that will be loaded 
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> the IEx.Evaluator starts IN ADDITION to the existing `dot-iex` file
>>>>>>>>>> options.  I believe this would allow for maintainers of a project to
>>>>>>>>>> normalize some shell configuration while still allowing developers 
>>>>>>>>>> the full
>>>>>>>>>> ability to add their own configuration while also keeping the 
>>>>>>>>>> workflow of
>>>>>>>>>> starting the shell more standardized across projects.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A secondary goal might be that this could be incorporated into
>>>>>>>>>> releases as well so that the `./bin/project remote` and similar 
>>>>>>>>>> commands
>>>>>>>>>> could also load some particular configuration
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts you had, and if I missed any
>>>>>>>>>> existing options for this type of configuration, let me know!
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