I am not convinced it belongs in core yet, sorry. But we share excellent
and small implementations here you could incorporate when necessary.


*José Valimhttps://dashbit.co/ <https://dashbit.co/>*


On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 5:59 PM Yordis Prieto <yordis.pri...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey folks, any resolution you would like to see here? Not sure what I
> should do next.
>
> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:26:44 PM UTC-5 Yordis Prieto wrote:
>
>> I am with Wojtek on this one
>>
>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:04:59 PM UTC-5 woj...@wojtekmach.pl
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW here’s Req implementation for http date encoding/decoding:
>>> https://github.com/wojtekmach/req/blob/5bfbccc698f7639b890d8829cefb5a12903eece0/lib/req/utils.ex#L251:L325.
>>> I’m sure decoding can be significantly improved but I’d expect it to be
>>> reasonably fast already.
>>>
>>> Personally I would not create a package for <100 LOC that can be easily
>>> copy pasted around but that’s just me. For this reason while I wouldn’t
>>> mind having it in core it’s fine it isn’t. (I’d guess for better or worse,
>>> mostly worse lol, it is second most commonly used format, after iso8601,
>>> which obviously _is_ in core.)
>>>
>>> Regarding a format for proposals I don’t believe there’s one. What I
>>> like to do, with varying success, is to send a good old usage examples like:
>>>
>>>     iex> Foo.bar()
>>>     :baz
>>>
>>> I think that goes a long way.
>>>
>>> Do you argue for adding it to Calendar or NaiveDateTime, or DateTime.
>>> Should it be called parse_http_date or parse_rfc1123 or something else? Why
>>> this and not that? Should we encode as well? If you want to add something I
>>> think the onus is on you to try answering those questions.
>>>
>>> On 22 Nov 2024, at 23:30, Yordis Prieto <yordis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wojtek and I have the same situation and experience. I created the issue
>>> after reviewing
>>> https://github.com/elixir-tesla/tesla/pull/639#discussion_r1853107509
>>> and realized that we don't have an established package for this. It sounds
>>> like httpd_util is the perfect place for this.
>>> Personally, I would love some alignment more than anything. An
>>> organization like Plug, Phoenix, or anyone dealing with HTTP would own a
>>> tiny package just for this. I will copy and paste the code for now, but we
>>> could share more between Reg, Tesla, Plug ... all these HTTP-related things
>>> since the HTTP spec is one.
>>>
>>> In terms of specs, it is similar to httpd_util.rfc1123_date; I need
>>> clarification on the proposal's format. Do you have a good example I could
>>> follow? Otherwise, I will trying to find a reference to lean on
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 4:40:45 PM UTC-5 woj...@wojtekmach.pl
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oops, the Plug link I sent is obviously about encoding to that format
>>>> not decoding from it. It’s late here, sorry about that.
>>>>
>>>> On 22 Nov 2024, at 22:38, Wojtek Mach <woj...@wojtekmach.pl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> httpd_util.rfc1123_date/1 encodes a date, I believe this topic is
>>>> mostly about decoding.
>>>>
>>>> As an http client author I’m +1 for this because it occasionally comes
>>>> up in the type of work I end up doing.
>>>>
>>>> That being said, I think it’d be more productive to have an actual
>>>> proposal, what would be the function name, args, and returns values and
>>>> consideration for how it fits within the standard library.
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, my recommendation would be to instead of bringing in a
>>>> dependency, copy-pasting this from Plug
>>>> https://github.com/elixir-plug/plug/blob/v1.16.1/lib/plug/conn/cookies.ex#L99:L139.
>>>> This, though, might be the primary reason _not_ to add this, it’s easy to
>>>> copy-paste a rock solid implementation from an authoritative source in 
>>>> Plug.
>>>>
>>>> On 22 Nov 2024, at 22:15, Christopher Keele <christ...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I believe such an Elixir-friendly tool would be useful, but does not
>>>> belong in the Elixir language itself.
>>>>
>>>> In the spirit of a slim but extensible core, functionality and
>>>> especially structs in Elixir stdlib tend to be limited to:
>>>>
>>>> - Things useful to any domain, that can only be realized optimally in
>>>> the language itself
>>>> - Things required by the language tooling itself
>>>>
>>>> For example, you see general things like Range parsing/structs in
>>>> stdlib because their membership tests work with guards and the *in*
>>>> operator, so the language itself has to be able to operate on them. And you
>>>> see things like the URI parsing and semantic Version structs in the stdlib
>>>> because they are required for mix to be able to fetch libraries and resolve
>>>> version constraints.
>>>>
>>>> If Elixir needed to deal with this date format to work, or if they were
>>>> more general-purpose, there'd be a stronger case for inclusion. As it, it
>>>> probably belongs in one of the general-purpose HTTP handling libraries as a
>>>> dependency.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, you can always go pouring through the erlang
>>>> stdlib's much more kitchen-sinky set of tools for these sorts of things to
>>>> see if functions that accomplish what you want are already available to you
>>>> from erlang itself, without extra dependencies. For example, I knew that
>>>> erlang comes with a pretty robust http server/client implementation. I
>>>> remembered that it has a module called :httpc, so I found the docs for the
>>>> application that contains it, :inets. I noticed an :http_util module in
>>>> there, and it seems to have the functionality you want. For Elixir
>>>> compatibility, you just need to translate between erlang and Elixir,
>>>> something like:
>>>>
>>>> defmodule HTTPDate do
>>>> def now(calendar \\ Calendar.ISO) do
>>>> calendar |> DateTime.utc_now() |> from_date_time()
>>>> end
>>>>
>>>> def from_date_time(date_time = %DateTime{}) when date_time.utc_offset
>>>> == 0 do
>>>> {
>>>> {date_time.year, date_time.month, date_time.day},
>>>> {date_time.hour, date_time.minute, date_time.second}
>>>> }
>>>> |> :httpd_util.rfc1123_date()
>>>> end
>>>>
>>>> def from_date_time(other), do: raise("expected a DateTime in UTC
>>>> (GMT), got: #{inspect(other)}")
>>>>
>>>> def to_date_time(string, calendar \\ Calendar.ISO) do
>>>> with {{year, month, day}, {hour, minute, second}} <- :httpd_util.
>>>> convert_request_date(string),
>>>> {:ok, date} <- Date.new(year, month, day, calendar),
>>>> {:ok, time} <- Time.new(hour, minute, second, {0, 0}, calendar) do
>>>> DateTime.new(date, time, "Etc/UTC")
>>>> else
>>>> # Normalize :httpd_util.convert_request_date errors
>>>> :bad_date -> {:error, :invalid_date}
>>>> # Date/Time/DateTime.new errors
>>>> {:error, reason} -> {:error, reason}
>>>> end
>>>> end
>>>> end
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 6:18:50 PM UTC-6 yordis...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I came across a PR that required parsing
>>>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Date, so
>>>>> the person reached out for a third-party library.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if Elixir should handle parsing HTTP Date or allow the
>>>>> construction of a Date using the day name (Mon, Tue ...), month name (Jan,
>>>>> Feb), and other formatting from HTTP Date.
>>>>>
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