I think we are only differing on the details. We could use talks / blogposts on all of those things. If you want to write a guest blogpost on any of the above I would be happy to put it on my blog.
Zach On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Peter Damoc <[email protected]> wrote: > I beg to differ. > There are a lot of intro talks to Elm syntax and some of them touch a > little bit on some libraries but we are doing very poorly in addressing > important concerns like styling, persistence or deployment. > Of course, one might argue that this falls outside of Elm concerns but > should it be outside of Elm's concerns? > Are we trying to build reliable webapps or are we trying to reliably > generate html? > > The domain covered by CSS is virtually unexplored in Elm. It is taken as a > given that people will solve this on their own using previous knowledge or > by learning CSS somewhere else. > There are a few libraries that attempt to address this but most of them > are bindings to CSS with a little bit of type safety thrown in and do a > very poor job at documenting use-cases. > > The topic of reusable components is still in limbo. > If someone asks me how would they do a dropdown in Elm I still don't know > what to say (other than implement it from scratch). > Have the sortable-table solution and the auto-complete examples been > imitated? Do we have a large pool of reusable UI elements? > > The topic of build tools and end-to-end development, again... it rests on > people reusing outside knowledge. > There is very little documentation on producing a deliverable. > > Were do we want to be in 3 years time? > How would we want Elm to have changed the webapp domain? > What would be the less than desirable future that we might risk ending up > in? > > > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Zachary Kessin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Glad you liked the blog post. >> >> I thinkw e are doing well on the intro talks and case studies part of the >> Elm story. But there are other stories to tell around elm that might appeal >> to the developer who has been doing elm already for 6 months. >> >> >> Zach >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Peter Damoc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I've seen a short blogpost by Zach >>> http://get-finch.com/2016/11/23/what_elm_needs_to_to_move_forward.html >>> and it got me curious. >>> >>> What do the rest of you think Elm needs to move forward faster? >>> (it is already moving forward and will continue to do so but... maybe >>> some things can accelerate the process.) >>> >>> I've seen also this comment: >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/elm/comments/5dox3b/reddit_uses_elm >>> _for_internal_apps/da6cyu9/?st=ivvxoob1&sh=4476d8ec >>> and I think the point made there is relevant. >>> >>> I think Elm needs a common story around some kind of web-framework. >>> >>> With one framework that multiple entities use and improve it is easier >>> to build shared ground and shared knowledge and this gives the impression >>> of stability and predictability. In theory, it would be easier to find >>> multiple developers with the same subset of know-how. >>> >>> Attempting to implement such a framework would also make salient the >>> issues that still remain (CSS) and will stress the tools (elm-format, >>> elm-test) enough to push them forward faster. >>> >>> Constrains liberate. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> There is NO FATE, we are the creators. >>> blog: http://damoc.ro/ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Elm Discuss" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Zach Kessin >> SquareTarget <http://squaretarget.rocks?utm_source=email-sig> >> Twitter: @zkessin <https://twitter.com/zkessin> >> Skype: zachkessin >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Elm Discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > There is NO FATE, we are the creators. > blog: http://damoc.ro/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Elm Discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Zach Kessin SquareTarget <http://squaretarget.rocks?utm_source=email-sig> Twitter: @zkessin <https://twitter.com/zkessin> Skype: zachkessin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Elm Discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
