Ok, I hope that this is just a naming change, but spent too much time in
politics not to fixate on choice of language issues!
But compared to other compile-to-js languages, Elm is seemingly the one
that puts the most the hurdles ahead of easily using the libraries
available in the world's most popular language.
On Saturday, 25 March 2017 02:52:20 UTC+1, Kasey Speakman wrote:
>
> Yeah, I regretted posting that 2nd half. I don't use any native modules
> myself except the one to return decoders out of ports. And I was getting by
> without it via ports, although somewhat less optimally. Maybe some people
> really need native stuff, though. I haven't. (And I'm willing to monkey
> patch what I use native for now if need be.)
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 1:48:01 PM UTC-5, Kasey Speakman wrote:
>>
>> Indeed, the post mentions renaming Native to Elm.Kernel and ending the
>> native module whitelist (sortof). Expectation management.
>>
>> User native module blocking was not mentioned. In our current Javascript
>> ecosystem such a thing would make Elm non-viable.
>>
>> Well, except that repo-forking and monkey-patching exist.
>>
>> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-5, Rupert Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 8:15:51 PM UTC, Simon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty clear that these practices are frowned upon, but the shift
>>>> to 'kernel' sounds like a plan to squeeze the pragmatic programmer's
>>>> options further. I hope that's not the case.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think all that is happening is that Native is being renamed to Kernel
>>> to reduce confusion. At the moment when we say 'Elm' and 'native' in the
>>> same sentence we could mean an Elm Native module used to implement its
>>> kernel, or native javascript code through ports.
>>>
>>> I can't be certain of the details but I think your function would just
>>> be re-written as:
>>>
>>> var _user$project$Kernel_Msgpack = function() { ... }
>>>
>>> But you won't be able to publish it officially and will have to use
>>> elm-github-install.
>>>
>>> It makes sense to me anyway, the 'kernel' needs to be carefully managed
>>> as the language takes shape.
>>>
>>>
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