Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> That's completely backwards. > > What's completely backwards is to turn off a feature that helps us > find bugs so that people can treat the CVS HEAD as a stable release > of Emacs.
It does not help us find bugs. That's the problem. It's been on for a month now, and the only bugs that were triggered by it were of the sort that can much easier be found, reproduced and described when the code does not abort. I have wasted about 4 days of debugging on something that turned out not be really a bug (in the sense that it could lead to data destruction) but a quirk; and if the assertion had not been turned on, both the severity and kind of this quirk would have been _much_ better accessible for estimation. GLYPH_DEBUG is not on by default either. It is good to have the assertions for tracking down a particular problem. But I have seen no evidence whatsoever that switching the default has helped us finding even a single bug. In contrast, it has kept me for several days from fixing real bugs and making a release with other software. And it also means that we have to tell people "don't use CVS Emacs, it is slow and will crash". And that means that all those people won't help in finding _real-life_ bugs occuring in serious daily application. We don't have a formal beta program. Getting this feedback is necessary for ensuring a good quality release. Feel free to volunteer any differing information if you have it available. If you know of any problem in the last 4 weeks that has been discovered and fixed due to the changed default, I'd be glad to hear of it. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel
