to stir the pot: speaking for myself, i only wanted the output, and never the error mechanism, and my attempts to get output reliably ended up in my habitually putting in every shell block this boilerplate:
=== { the code i actually want } 2>&1 : === -- The Kafka Pandemic What is misopathy? https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2013/10/why-some-diseases-are-wronged.html