Thanks John! I think you have just given me my next homework assignment for "Adam's list of things to noodle around with in eLisp" :)
Adam > On 21 Feb 2021, at 17:40, John Kitchin <jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > > It seems like some ideas are getting mixed up in your description. A cite > link in org-ref is related to a bibtex entry in a bibtex file, not to an org > heading in an org-file. In other words in your example, I would expecta > bibtex entry with the key bradley1973es to exist in one of the default > bibliography files you use (or in the one you define in a bibliography link). > The notes are just for your purposes. > > the headings/links in your notes file will not show up in any completion > backend in org-ref for citation selection, as only the bibtex entries are > used to construct those. > > If you are looking for a way to select one of those headings from your > notes, and then insert the appropriate link, you would have to use something > different than org-ref. there is not presently a way to map an annotated cite > link to the specific note. I am not even sure you can write a function that > does that, as the functions only take a key for looking up the note file, and > not the description too. It certainly is possible to write a new function > that would work on the link at point to do that, and to call it > interactively, or add it as an action though. You would still get the key to > open the note file, and then use the link description if it exists to somehow > search forward for the relevant heading or text, failing gracefully if you, > for example, make a cite to a page you did not make a note on. > > When it comes time to authoring a paper, I think the workflow is you would > have to open the notes you made, find the section you want to use in your > paper, and copy the link you put in your notes to your new document. There > are some variations you might consider, but none of them would really be > integrated into the org-ref completion mechanisms that are generated from the > bibtex entries. > > For example you might store the link or parts in a property like this: > > * The Accelerator-Multiplier Model > :PROPERTIES: > :key: bradley1973es > :page: p200 > :cite: [[cite:bradley1973es][p200]] > :END: > > > and then write a small function you use interactively to copy it, e.g. > > #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp > (defun get-link () > (interactive) > (kill-new (org-entry-get (point) "cite"))) > #+END_SRC > > and you might bind that to a key if you use it a lot. Alternatively you might > put the key in file-level property, and only store the page, and use property > inheritance, to build the link. There are a lot of options to choose from. > But, simply copying and pasting a link might also be the simplest. > > It might be possible to use the org-store/insert-link machinery for this too, > but I have found that to be trickier than I thought it should be in the past. > > John > > ----------------------------------- > Professor John Kitchin > Doherty Hall A207F > Department of Chemical Engineering > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > 412-268-7803 > @johnkitchin > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu <http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu/> > > > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 12:13 PM Adam Sneller <a...@earth2adam.com > <mailto:a...@earth2adam.com>> wrote: > Hi Bruce/John, > > Thanks for getting back to me. So I guess your notes file would look > something like this? > > > #+TITLE: Bradley, J. (1973): Essential Mathematics For Economists > > * Dynamic models: the consumption function > [[cite:bradley1973es][p164]] > > * Changes in Capital Stock > [[cite:bradley1973es][p188]] > > * The Accelerator-Multiplier Model > [[cite:bradley1973es][p200]] > > > So when when it comes time to author your paper, if you run org-store-link on > any of these, the description gets stripped off the link, so that only > cite:bradley1973es is stored (which obviously defeats the purpose). And if > you copy the link over by hand, it maps back to the document bradley197es.org > <http://bradley197es.org/> (not the actual note). > > Am I missing anything? > > Adam > >> On 21 Feb 2021, at 12:21, Bruce D'Arcus <bdar...@gmail.com >> <mailto:bdar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 10:31 PM Adam Sneller <adam.sneller@ms2.digital >> <mailto:adam.sneller@ms2.digital>> wrote: >> >>> I currently use org-ref and helm-bibtex to manage my database of academic >>> sources, with one notes file per source. A lot of my sources are books. So >>> note typically grow over time, as I add multiple headers (each pertaining >>> to a chapter or topic/note taken from that source). >>> >>> But now I want to produce a citation that references the page numbers where >>> I captured that note... >>> >>> What is the recommended way to handle this? Are you breaking notes into >>> individual files, each with their own @inbook citation? >> >> Generally speaking, referencing page numbers and sections of a cited >> source is not handled by dedicated citations, but rather by >> annotations on the containing citation (book etc.). >> >> So in the pandoc syntax, for example, [@book, p23]. >> >> I do the same with notes, and just included the specific citation with >> the note if I need to maintain the specific source page. >> >> Bruce >> >
