Thank you so much for explaining all of that! There is some good information there I was missing. I think the most important bit I was missing is the post-blank stuff. I was only looking at begin->end but I think digging into the post-blank is what makes this consistent.
I've got 2 separate questions: 1. Is the following statement true? "Two elements can count the same character in their post-blank?" I am seeing dual-ownership of the post-blank in the examples below, but at the same time if I put a plain-list inside a footnote definition, the footnote definition ends up with sole custody of the post-blank. 2. I'm still not sure about some behavior I'm seeing. I think it would be easiest to see if we focus on exactly 1 blank line: ``` 1. bar 2. baz <---- this blank line here ipsum ``` In this example, the blank line gets counted in the post-blank for the plain-list but not for the item: ``` plain-list: post-blank 1 | begin 1 end 16 | contents-begin 1 contents-end 15 item: post-blank 0 | begin 1 end 8 | contents-begin 4 contents-end 8 paragraph: post-blank 0 | begin 4 end 8 | contents-begin 4 contents-end 8 item: post-blank 0 | begin 8 end 15 | contents-begin 11 contents-end 15 paragraph: post-blank 0 | begin 11 end 15 | contents-begin 11 contents-end 15 paragraph: post-blank 0 | begin 16 end 22 | contents-begin 16 contents-end 22 ``` but if we take that plain-list and nest it inside another plain-list: ``` 1. foo 1. bar 2. baz <---- this blank line here 2. lorem ipsum ``` The blank line gets counted as a post-blank for both the item "foo" and the item "baz": ``` plain-list: post-blank 0 | begin 1 end 38 | contents-begin 1 contents-end 38 item: post-blank 1 | begin 1 end 29 | contents-begin 4 contents-end 28 paragraph: post-blank 0 | begin 4 end 8 | contents-begin 4 contents-end 8 plain-list: post-blank 0 | begin 8 end 29 | contents-begin 8 contents-end 29 item: post-blank 0 | begin 8 end 18 | contents-begin 14 contents-end 18 paragraph: post-blank 0 | begin 14 end 18 | contents-begin 14 contents-end 18 item: post-blank 1 | begin 18 end 29 | contents-begin 24 contents-end 28 paragraph: post-blank 0 | begin 24 end 28 | contents-begin 24 contents-end 28 item: post-blank 0 | begin 29 end 38 | contents-begin 32 contents-end 38 paragraph: post-blank 0 | begin 32 end 38 | contents-begin 32 contents-end 38 paragraph: post-blank 0 | begin 38 end 44 | contents-begin 38 contents-end 44 ``` Meaning the post-blank did this movement: ``` plain-list: post-blank 0 item: post-blank 1 <---<----<----<-\ paragraph: post-blank 0 | plain-list: post-blank 0 >---->--| item: post-blank 0 | paragraph: post-blank 0 | item: post-blank 1 <---<---/ paragraph: post-blank 0 item: post-blank 0 paragraph: post-blank 0 paragraph: post-blank 0 ``` Question ---> So why is the item "baz" gaining a post-blank instead of the inner plain-list (bar baz) keeping that post-blank? I would expect it to instead be: ``` plain-list: post-blank 0 item: post-blank 1 paragraph: post-blank 0 here -> plain-list: post-blank 1 item: post-blank 0 paragraph: post-blank 0 not here -> item: post-blank 0 paragraph: post-blank 0 item: post-blank 0 paragraph: post-blank 0 paragraph: post-blank 0 ``` I re-did both test cases using greater blocks and lesser blocks instead of paragraphs to make sure it wasn't that historical exception at the end of your email, and the post-blank behavior was exactly the same. -- Tom Alexander