On 8/22/02 9:13 AM, Frank Rader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said;
>Greetings
>     Telezapper works.  It might be worked around in the future, but it 
>is working now.  This is based upon two reviews and one live user I know 
>well.  
>     Privacy announcements are significant sources of address and numbers 
>for junk senders.  Next time you get one jump towards the end and you'll 
>see that unless you do something your name, address and phone are 
>authorized for sale or rent by the company.  This can be your bank, 
>credit card, grocery store card, etc.
>     If you've ever bought something from a catalog or TV, can be ditto.
>     "Place me on your 'Do not call list'" is supposed to work.
>     I still use the old standbys:  Trash, hangup, answering machine and 
>delete.
>
>Frank Rader
>Mooresville NC

My 2 pennies - 

While I believe that there are consumer friendly govt agencies and 
supportive laws that can be enacted, it really comes down to, "me". I 
appreciate the knowledgeable responses on this list as to why something 
works or why it might not. All good data. But I observe that there is a 
sort of social malaise that has broadly taken over at least the current 
American society. The unthinkable has become, and is becoming, more and 
more thinkable, and doable. And so I gravitate toward doing what I can to 
protect my own privacy.

I routinely get evening calls, even after 8 PM soliciting contributions 
or marketing credit cards, etc. They don't seem to mind calling at dinner 
time anymore. Or at least, they don't apologize for such behavior 
anymore. In fact, a polite "no thanks I am in a meeting, or at dinner, or 
not available right now," almost always gets more conversation. They are 
now "handling" my objections as though I were a sales "target" instead of 
listening to me, a bonafide human being.

An image comes into my mind of the old Fuller Brush Man stereo type. The 
guy who sticks his foot in your door when you open it and doesn't take no 
for an answer. It is that mentality that I am sensing more of when I 
refer to a general sense of social malaise. In particular it is that foot 
in the door type of spam that I hate.

As I see it, this is a part of the (American society) trend for what I 
refer to as "LCD TV". By that I mean Least Common Denominator TV. 
Television that appeals to the most base instincts and does nothing to 
elevate thought or nobility or kindness or.. anything socially positive. 
Now don't get me wrong, I Like a good action picture like Arnold or Clint 
or Steve Segal makes. But the LCD stuff that is just about people ratting 
on each other, seeing who is this weeks "looser" in some sort of survivor 
game, to see who is the moron that is the weakest link, the cop shows 
that increase out fascination with a traffic stop and make traffic pile 
up for hours while we all drive slowly, voyeristically, to see a real 
live version of the cop or trauma show.

And the talking heads news anchors are not much different IMHO. News 
about disasters lead and in some cases, become the sole news fed to the 
networks. The BBC isn't perfect but sometimes I see stories there that 
were never shown on the US nets.

My friend, who's opinions a greatly respect, says that their 
telemarketing calls went way, way down after installing their telezapper. 
And when I have called them, and the beep always occurs, it has never 
felt too loud or obnoxious. Quite tolerable really. Certainly it sounds 
not as harsh as a Fax tone. More like a very mild answering matching 
beep. (Some answering machines get a little too harsh IMHO) So bottom 
line is, it seems to work, and work well.

Dave Groover.



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