>take a look at this list
>
><http://www.sans.org/top20/#index>
>
>none of the listed items affects OS 9 -
>half can/will affect OS 10

I'm sorry, but this is just plain silly.

Of course none of the items listed effect OS 9... because they didn't 
make a list FOR OS 9.

They have TWO lists... one for Windows, one for Unix. Yes, because OS X 
is based on BSD Unix, it can be vulnerable to the unix listed items (in 
fairness to OS X, I don't think ANY of those services are on by 
default... however some are installed by default).

But the fact that OS 9 isn't effected by anything on the list is just 
plain silly. It doesn't prove OS 9 is more secure, it just proves that 
they didn't make a list for OS 9 at all. They also didn't list the Amiga 
OS, or CPM, or Apple ProDos, or MS-DOS for that matter. Does that mean 
all those OS's are fully secure too? No, it just means the FBI (not the 
brightest group of people) didn't bother to make a list that applies to 
them.

The fact of the matter is... sit me near an OS 9 based computer, there 
will be little you can do to keep me out of it. There are VERY few 
products for OS 9 that will truely lock down the computer, and NOTHING 
that comes with the OS. As for network access... put me on the same LAN 
segment as an OS 9 machine with network services turned on (AppleShare 
for instance), chances are really good you won't be able to keep me out 
of it either.

Do you know WHY OS 9 is "secure" across the internet... because 99% of 
internet routers do not pass the AppleTalk protocol. You can't hack into 
something that you can't reach. This is why I say I need to be on the 
same LAN segment to network hack OS 9. So that means, put me down the 
street from someone on a cable modem... I might be good to go (depends on 
the cable modem model).


And to REALLY poke holes in your complaint.... on the Unix list, #3, #4, 
#5, #7, and #10 can all effect OS 9 with the addition of the correct 
server software. They don't by default simply because OS 9 doesn't come 
with ANY internet services installed and on by default (PWS is installed 
by default, but not on... and PWS was/is? very insecure). AppleShare 
servers have SNMP services... thus making #4 a possibility on them, many 
people (myself included) run FTP servers off a Mac, thus making #5 
possible. #3 (SSH) is run mostly as a client, so it won't promote the 
hacking INTO OS 9, but it will assist in the leakage of info needed to 
get into other systems, #7 (LPD) services are available by default using 
LaserWriter 8 drivers and the Desktop printer setup tools. Since the 
complaint has to do with buffer overflow, all you have to do to take 
advantage of that is know you are overflowing a Mac and not a Unix 
machine. And #10... passwords... that isn't a Unix thing, that is a human 
thing. And OS or any THING that needs passwords or PIN numbers, or 
anything else, can be left vulnerable to #10.

-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>

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