On Jul 29, 2011, at 3:39 AM, Peter Rice wrote:

> On 07/29/2011 08:46 AM, Peter Rice wrote:
>> On 28/07/2011 15:38, Charles Plessy wrote:
>>> Dear EMBOSS developers,
>>> (CC Debian Med mailing list)
>>> 
>>> while working on upgrading Debian's emboss package to version 6.4.0
>>> (congratulations, by the way), I found some files in EMBOSS that are
>>> not considered ‘Free software’ by Debian. 
> 
> While we're on the topic of licensing, some other data files in EMBOSS
> 6.4.0 have licences.
> 
> emboss/data/OBO contains copies of several Open Bio-Ontologies for which
> EMBOSS includes index files - so you need the data file version that
> matches the index files.
> 
> For example, the Gene Ontology terms
> http://www.geneontology.org/GO.cite.shtml are:
> 
> GO Usage Policy
> 
> The GO Consortium gives permission for any of its products to be used
> without license for any purpose under three conditions:
> 
>    That the Gene Ontology Consortium is clearly acknowledged as the
> source of the product;
>    That any GO Consortium file(s) displayed publicly include the
> date(s) and/or version number(s) of the relevant GO file(s) (the GO is
> evolving and changes will occur with time);
>    That neither the content of the GO file(s) nor the logical
> relationships embedded within the GO file(s) be altered in any way.
> 
> which looks rather like the problem you had with Creative Commons.
> 
> Licenses that protect the official database release from derives
> versions are entirely reasonable and standard in bioinformatics.
> Basically, making sure that when you refer to a UniProt entry, or a, OBO
> ontology term, everyone agrees you are referring to one agreed entry or
> term.
> 
> EMBOSS does depend on these files. The database names are hard-coded
> into some of the new (and more to come) applications.
> 
> You could download the databases and indexes from our rsync copies we
> use to keep developers in sync. These are at
> rsync://emboss.open-bio.org/EMBOSS/
> 
> It might make things clearer if someone from Debian could explain:
> 
> (a) why a Creative Commons licence is an issue for you
> 
> (b) why you appear to consider a copy of a whole or part of a public
> biological database as part of an "operating system"
> 
> regards,
> 
> Peter Rice
> EMBOSS Team


Charles,

>From the BioPerl perspective, this will very likely be a problem for us as 
>well as all other Bio* language (Biopython, BioJava, BioRuby); we typically 
>include data derived from these sources.  We may have a bit more flexibility 
>in that the vast majority are mainly only for tests, but I believe some data 
>is hard-coded in.  Fallback data like REBase for restriction analysis and GO 
>(as Peter mentioned above) come to mind.

chris

Christopher Fields
Senior Research Scientist
National Center for Supercomputing Applications
Institute for Genomic Biology
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
1206 W. Gregory Dr. , MC-195
Urbana, IL 61801


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