The issue arises because our instruments are for the industrial   
environment.  They interface to low level sensors such as a thermocouple,   
RTD, magnetic pickup, flowmeter, etc.  These are very low level signals   
in the 0 to 10VDC level or less typical.  The output is also a low level   
signal in the 0 to 10VDC or less.  For high performance and accuracy, we   
electrically isolate the input from the output and prevent ground loops   
from happening.  In our installations, without isolation between the   
sensor and the control room equipment, the ground potentials are always   
different and if you don't isolate the signals become corrupted.  The   
industrial environment always is an electrically noisy environment and   
isolating circuits is a way to help control the noise.  It is not always   
necessary, and there are products that don't isolate input to output.   
 There are hundreds of applications where the device won't work without   
isolation.  But does the fact that isolation is included affect whether   
the Low Voltage Directive applies?  I can make very strong arguments both   
ways that non-isolated devices are more hazardous than isolated devices   
due to the industrial environment they are installed in and vice versa.

Example 1: Isolated device input to output
   My sensor input is isolated from the output and grounded at the field   
sensor.  My output signal of 0 to 10VDC is grounded at another point in   
the control room.   Both signals are below 10VDC.  However, the ground   
potential between input to output could be 250VAC.  Does the Low Voltage   
Directive apply?

Example 2: Non-isolated device from input to output
   My field sensor is grounded and connected to my input port.  My output   
signal is grounded at the control room.  Both signals are below 10VDC and   
input common is electrically connected to my output common.  The ground   
potential at the sensor is 0 volts.  THe ground potential at the control   
room is 250VAC with respect to the sensor ground.  Hence a ground loop is   
set up and a 250VAC potential exists between the two points and current   
is flowing.  Does the Low Voltage directive apply now?   Or is should the   
end-user known better that they created this ground loop and hence now   
could be considered a hazard.

Example 1 and 2 occur on a daily basis in the industry.  Everyone has   
different opinions at this point.  But the fact that the Low Voltage   
Directive applies or not when isolation is present has a major impact on   
the manufacturers product.


Best Regards,

Gary Labadie
Marketing

Acromag, Inc.
30765 Wixom Rd.            Ph: (248)624-1541 ext. 205
P.O. Box 437                   Fax:(248)624-9234
Wixom, MI 48393            Email: [email protected]

 -----Original Message-----
From: James, Chris [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 3:43 AM
To: 'Gary Labadie'; emc-pstc
Subject: RE: Isolation versus IEC1010


The directive says "designed or adapted for use with......"  the
voltages ranges you state.

If you product is not intended for use with such voltages then I do not
see you need to seek approval (LVD) irrespective of what you rate the
isolation.

Having said that if you state a rated isolation then you need to be sure
you meet it.

How is your unit powered? Sounds like an external wall brick adaptor -
this will of course need to comply.

Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Labadie [SMTP:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 8:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Isolation versus IEC1010
>
> I would like to get the consensus on the following concept.
>
> The low Voltage directive applies to products that use 50VAC or 75VDC
> and
> higher signal levels basically up to 1000VAC.  Now, If a product's I/O
>
> and power signals do not exceed 24Vdc anywhere, does the low voltage
>
> directive apply.  Here's the catch,  the unit contains electrical
> isolation between input, output and power signals.  The electrical
> isolation rating is specified as 250VAC continous.
>
> Some argue, that since the unit is isolated and has an isolation
> rating
> the Low voltage directive applies because the isolation specification
>
> exceeds 50VAC.  You can also argue that within the scope of the Low
> Voltage directive that the I/O and power signals are below the
> directives
> requirement and hence do not apply if you don't consider whether the
>
> product has electrical isolation or not.
>
> Does the fact that electrical isolation is included into a product,
> affect whether the Low Voltage Directive may or may not apply?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Gary Labadie
> Marketing
>
> Acromag, Inc.
> 30765 Wixom Rd.            Ph: (248)624-1541 ext. 205
> P.O. Box 437                   Fax:(248)624-9234
> Wixom, MI 48393            Email: [email protected]

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