Hello R. Keller and Heber:

This answer assumes that the standard of evaluation is IEC 950.  We manufacture 
many transformers that comply with this standard.

There would certainly be creepage distances, unless the barrier qualifies as a 
"cemented joint", in which creepage and clearance distances can be shown not to 
exist.  To qualify the barrier as a cemented joint (see 2.9.7 and 2.9.6).  If 
the part does not qualify as having a barrier with no creepage and clearance 
distances as outlined in clauses 2.9.6 and 2.9.7, then the internal transformer 
may qualify as Pollution degree I.  Under this condition, CTI ratings do not 
matter, (see table 6), and the creepage and clearance distances would be 
equivalent.

Some other standards do not seem to specify the qualification tests for a 
"cemented joint" as specifically as IEC-950, but I would recommend performing 
some type of thermal cycling test if taking this approach.

If neither of the above apply to your case, you must take the worst case CIT 
rating of the two materials with common surfaces.  If you have no rating, you 
must assume material group III.

Hope this helps.

Mel Pedersen                            Midcom, Inc.
Homologations Engineer             Phone:  (605) 882-8535
[email protected]  Fax:  (605) 886-6752

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From:   Farnsworth, Heber[SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent:   Friday, April 03, 1998 9:55 AM
To:     '[email protected]'; [email protected]
Subject:        RE: Transformer potting + CTI spacer tape

My first thought is that, where you have potting you do not have
creepage, hence CTI is not involved. However, on a related topic, I've
had problems with vacuum-impregnated transformers.

It seems that, in drawing a partial vacuum there's often a little air
left. Then, even with pressure impregnating, the epoxy doesn't penetrate
fully: it has higher viscosity than air, and tape will sometimes pull
up, "burping" out the air, then reseal under positive pressure. The
result is that pockets of partial vacuum are left in inner windings, and
the transformer breaks down at voltages BELOW it's unpotted level! 

Whenever possible, I recommend the use of split or multi-part bobbins
which assure spacings without relying on manufacturing skill. Good, safe
transformers are deceptively hard to design, build and verify,
especially when coupling requirements prevent the use of such bobbins.

__________________
Heber Farnsworth
Physio-Control, Seattle, USA


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 1998 11:49 PM
> To:   [email protected]
> Subject:      Transformer potting + CTI spacer tape
> 
> 
> Anybody with any experience how potting is influencing the parameter
> and
> characteristics of CTI rated spacer tape?
> 
> A spacer tape with CTI rating >600 is used, and the transformer will
> finally be potted.
> 
> My anxiety is that the potting liquid is penetrating the spacer tape,
> hence
> degrading the quality of the spacer tape's glue and CTI capabilities.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> R. Keller
> 


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