Bruce,

DB has identified a very likely source of the problem.  From your
description, the high value of surface transfer impedance of the shield of
the cable assembly occurs at the connectors, rather than along the braid,
itself.

An experiment to verify this would be to sacrifice a cable assembly by
peeling back the insulating jacket next to the connectors and to strip away
the insulation from the connectors.  Then construct a conducting tent from
copper tape (or copper tape and solder) from the cable braid shield to
either the shell of the connector, or the panel to which the connector
mounts.  This creates an EMI backshell for the connector.  If your problem
goes away when you use this home shielded connector, then you need a higher
quality cable assembly that has a better shield termination at the
connector.

Jim

Dr. Jim Knighten                e-mail: [email protected] 
Senior Consulting Engineer
NCR
17095 Via del Campo
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Tel: 619-485-2537
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        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Brumbaugh, David [SMTP:[email protected]]
        Sent:   Thursday, May 27, 1999 7:21 PM
        To:     '[email protected]'; [email protected]
        Subject:        RE: CAN Bus EMC


        The poor temination is resulting in a high transfer impedance, i.e.,
currents on the cable result in a relatively high voltage at your circuits.
I(shield) x Z(transfer) = V(circuit). You've got to lower the shield
termination impedance, preferably with a good (i.e., low Z) circumferential
termination to the chassis.
        DB 
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]]
        > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 7:15 PM
        > To:   [email protected]
        > Subject:      CAN Bus EMC
        > 
        > 
        > Hello group:
        > 
        > 
        > I'm working on a susceptability problem with a CAN bus industrial
control
        > system.  We are performing a 30v IEC 1000-4-6 conducted immunity
test on
        > the bus cable and get data loss and system shutdown.  We have
added common
        > mode chokes in the bus leads, tranceiver power decoupling etc.
The bus
        > cable is twisted pair shielded with an overall braided shield that
is
        > terminated poorly by connector pin and lead to chassis.  This
shield
        > termination seems to be dictated by the standard design of the
cables.  The
        > failures occur at 50-70mhz.
        > 
        > Does anyone have any experience with this?  We have been seeing
more
        > products with this type of control bus and I though this
experience might
        > be useful to the group.
        > 
        > Bruce Fagley
        > TUV Rheinland
        > 

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