One slight correction. The Directives and CE marking also legally apply in
the EFTA member states: Norway, Iceland and Switzerland and perhaps a couple
more that I don't recall at the moment.
Richard Woods
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From: Chris Chileshe [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: CE Mark and GOST
Hi John,
I am not familiar with GOST and I don't doubt there are people on
this forum
better informed to address your query. What I do know is that CE is
not
required outside the scope of the EU membership. At present, AFAIK,
the
EU member states are: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France,
Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal,
Spain, Sweden and UK. My information may be a little outdated.
A country outside the scope of the EU may choose to take advantage
of
the product quality inherent in the process that leads to the mark
by
insisting on CE-marked imports, but really, the mark only has legal
implications within the EU.
I am not sure about the Russian market, and perhaps some of our
Russian based
compliance engineers may help here. Alternatively, the persons
importing the
product would be able to advise.
Regards
- Chris Chileshe
-----Original Message-----
From: Bouse, John [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: CE Mark and GOST
Hello Group,
Is the CE Mark sufficient to allow products (laboratory instruments,
for example) to be sold/shipped into the Russian Federation, or is
the GOST mark also required?
Regards,
John Bouse
PKI
Shelton, CT USA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: September 13, 2001 12:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: CE Mark
Hi Ralph,
The CE mark is not exclusive to EMC. Indeed, it refers to compliance
with
all directives relevant to the product, so a teddy bear will be CE
marked if
it meets the requirements of the toy directive and all relevant
safety
directives.
Pressure vessels will have to meet the requirements of the pressure
directive
and so on, and if any product crosses boundaries, it has to meet all
the
applicable
directives.
However, the CE mark is a declaration of conformity and you can self
certify.
This means I can disappear into my garage for a few weeks and emerge
with
a CE marked product - and it would be perfectly legal - as long as
the
declaration
is true i.e. I have done what needs to be done to prove compliance,
and one
way
to do this would be to test to applicable harmonised standards.
Validity of
self
certification may change in due course but at the moment, that is
how it is.
I like Chris Maxwell's spin on the meaning of CE, and it would be
true if
every firm made a distinction between the compliance engineer and
the
designer. In all the companies I have worked for - we do it all i.e.
the
designer
designs to spec, takes the product through type approval tests, then
through
precompliance and then through full compliance. So the electronics
designers
are responsible for meeting all the applicable directives (EMC,
electrical
safety)
and functional type approval and they do so by product proving and
EMC
testing
the product themselves - to the applicable standard. They are also
responsible for
the technical documentation for the electrical aspects of the
product. The
mechanical engineers and hydraulics engineers do likewise and when
it's all
done,
the fall guy (engineering director) puts his signature on the
declaration of
conformity.
What this means is that if the declaration should subsequently be
proven
false, he
is the one who goes to the gallows.
Wait a minute! I used to think everyone worked that way, but I get
the
feeling
I may be doing too much! That does it! I am off to see the payroll
people
soon
after sending this e-mail and hopefully will emerge with a CE marked
cheque
-
or CE marked letter of dismissal!! You can never be too sure with
these
accounts people.
Regards y'all
- Chris Chileshe
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Cameron [SMTP:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:57 PM
To: Chris Chileshe; [email protected]
Subject: Re: CE Mark
I think its fair to state that CE also equates to designed in level
of
immunity to electromagnetic interference, i.e. reduced sensitivity
or
susceptibility. In my view , a highly desireable because it
prevents a lot
of what's out there from coming in and conversely a lot of what's
inside
from coming out.
It's a compromise but better than nothing.
Ralph cameron
EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics
(after sale)
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