Wow! I've been telling clients that even a Beta test is allowed, as long as absolutely no revenue is derived from it. Can't sell it. Can't rent it. With no revenue, it is an exhibition, a test.
Is this wrong? - Robert - Robert A. Macy, PE m...@california.com 408 286 3985 fx 408 297 9121 AJM International Electronics Consultants 619 North First St, San Jose, CA 95112 -----Original Message----- From: Massey, Doug C. <masse...@ems-t.com> To: IEEE - PSTC FORUM (E-mail) <emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org> List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:20 AM Subject: RE: Non-compliant product put into EU marked > >Article 8.2 of the RTTED (1999/5/EC) allows exemptions for ".. trade fairs, >exhibitions, demonstrations, etc.". It also requires that a "visible sign >clearly indicates that such apparatus may not be marketed or put into >service until it has been made to comply." > >Beta testing at a customer site does not fall under the Art. 8.2 exemptions. >A sales team demonstrating the product to a customer could be exempt for the >period of their demonstration. However, you can't call a large scale Beta >test a demonstration - the Beta test is 'putting into service'. > >IMHO, it's in clear violation of the RTTED. > >Doug Massey >Lead Regulatory Engineer >LXE, Inc. > >-----Original Message----- >From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:05 PM >To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org >Subject: SV: Non-compliant product put into EU marked > > > >As far as I know the product shall be produced in a large scale. The reason >for putting it on the marked for a time limiting period is (again as far as >I know) to run the product ( beta version) in a test installation and >thereafter will it go through the entire test program (EMC, LVD, etc). It >seems that they did not manage to do the testing before the 1 month test >period on the field. > >Again, I feel they are not doing things in the consecutive order and I also >think they are no allowed to put in on the marked, even the short period. > >Amund > >-----Opprinnelig melding----- >Fra: Tania Grant [mailto:taniagr...@msn.com] >Sendt: 17. desember 2001 19:33 >Til: am...@westin-emission.no; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org >Emne: Re: Non-compliant product put into EU marked > > >Is the manufacturer serious, or completely ignorant? > >If serious, I would disassociate from them as much as possible. If merely >ignorant, and you have some sort of association with them, I would recommend >that you educate them fully. > >Another thought, -- is this product slated for mass distribution, even for >only a month, or is it going to another location or a particular customer >for some special in-house use or application? What does this customer >think? Are they aware, and do they agree to this? The Directives do have >special provisions for certain special applications where non-compliant (or >is it merely "untested" !) product can be shipped to Europe, but I believe >that under those circumstances, the name of the manufacturer and product >model name or designation has to be "published" broadly in the EU. I don't >remember the details. If anyone can shed more light, that would be very >nice. > >taniagr...@msn.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <am...@westin-emission.no> >To: <emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org> >Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:06 PM >Subject: Non-compliant product put into EU marked > > >> >> Hi all, >> >> You place a radio product into the EU marked with the following status: >> >> - Not been EMC, radio or safety tested (the previous model was tested and >> compliant, major modifications have later been implemented) >> - The product will only be in the marked for a time limiting period ( 1 >> month) >> - During the time limiting period it will be operating as in a normal >> condition >> - No CE mark on the product and no DoC >> >> I mean that you can't do this. You have to confirm that you fulfil the >EMC, >> radio and safety requirements, DoC in place, even that the product just >will >> be in the marked for 1 month and thereafter withdrawal. >> >> Any other comments from the list members ? >> >> Best regards >> Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway >> >> ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson: pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Heald davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.