Xing,

Section 5.2.3 of IEC 60950 (2nd edition) shows how this
measurement is made for Class II equipment.  This should
be the same in China's GB 4943? standard.

See the paragraph near the end of 5.2.2 describing that
for Class II, accessible conductive parts or metal foil
wrapped around the unit are used to measure the current
to either phase or neutral.  If your adapter is plastic
enclosed, with no exposed metal, the leakage should be
quite small.

You could also use the output pins as the "ground" side,
but these may not qualify as being exposed.

George




"xingwb" <xingwb%[email protected]> on 06/25/2002 05:56:33 AM

Please respond to "xingwb" <xingwb%[email protected]>

To:   "Peter Merguerian" <pmerguerian%[email protected]>
cc:   emc-pstc%[email protected] (bcc: George
      Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark)
Subject:  Re: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT



Hi Mr. Peter:


Our test lab receive a CB TEST REPORT FOR NATIONAL RECOGNIZATION,
the EUT is a class II ac adapter having a bridging capacitor (4700pF)across the
reinforced insulation

The touch current measured by CB is 0.17mA(4700pF declared)
but the value we measure is 0.28mA(4700pF)

which one is correct ?
it depend on test equipment?

How to judge

How to obtain accurate result?

any comments are appreciated

Xing weibing
2002-06-25 17:56
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Peter Merguerian
  To: 'xingwb' ; Robert Johnson ; Peter Merguerian
  Cc: [email protected]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:38 PM
  Subject: RE: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT


  Xing,

  Yes, 0.25mA is very strict for 950. However, I can assure you that depeding on
the test lab and uncertainty of the test equipment, you will obtain slightly
different results.

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: xingwb [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:13 AM
    To: Robert Johnson; Peter Merguerian
    Cc: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT


    Dear SIRS:

    Thanks for your e-mail

    A further question for touch current:

     Is it (0.25mA) strict for Class II equipment ?

    0.28mA rms is OK FOR IEC60065
    0.28mA rms is not OK for IEC60950


    Any comments are appreciated


    Best Regards

    XING WEIBING
    2002-06-25
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Peter Merguerian
      To: 'xingwb' ; [email protected]
      Cc: Ilan Cohen ; Michael G ; Shmuel Gnatt ; Sima Beloborodov ; Valery
Rodionov
      Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:00 PM
      Subject: RE: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT


      Xing Hello!
      ake a look at IEC 60990, "Methods of measurement of touch current and
protective conductor current". The limits in IEC 60 950 are based on this
particular standard.


      Best Regards

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      Technical Director

      I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd.

      26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211

      Or Yehuda 60251, Israel

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      Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175

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        -----Original Message-----
        From: xingwb [mailto:[email protected]]
        Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:57 AM
        To: [email protected]
        Cc: Rich Nute
        Subject: TOUCH CURRENT LIMIT


        Dear colleagues

        I have a question regarding touch current limit of IEC 60950?

        We can read from table 5A of IEC60950:1999:

        Touch current limit for accessible parts and circuits not connected

        to protective earth: 0.25 mA

        question 1 : How does it (0.25mA) come from and what  it is based on?

        based on IEC479? OR other source
        why it is not 0.5mA(based on IEC60479)

        question 2 :for hand-held equipment it is 0.75mA
        why ?

        Please shed some light for above questions


        Any comments are appreciated

        Best Regards


        Xing weibing

        2002-06-24



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