The problem isn't with Yahoo. You need to spank your net nanny.
From: Garnier, David S (MED) [mailto:david.garn...@med.ge.com] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:54 AM To: 'Guy Boone'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Fw, Yahoo Groups Recommendation?: Changes to IEEE emc-pstc we b-based services... Pardon me if this has been decided already but I think you need to be made aware of this. Our corporate net nanny has blocked access to all Yahoo accounts (and other free mail accounts) - moving the EMC listserve there would prevent access from anyone within the GE.COM domain. Our local IEEE EMC chapter is blocked, (all appeals for access have been ignored.) You might me asking yourself "why should I care?" (Dave could certainly subscribe to the listserve at home - ((please enable the digest mode.)) This company is a trendsetter and many others emulate our practices, your impending move may impact other subscribers in the future. David Garnier e GE Medical Systems ___________________________________________ David S. Garnier Senior Technician PET Engineering 3000 N. Grandview Ave - M/S W-1250 Waukesha, Wi. 53188 Tel: 262.312.7246 From: Guy Boone [mailto:bo...@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:24 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Fw, Yahoo Groups Recommendation?: Changes to IEEE emc-pstc web-based services... Jim/Richard; Any update on the data transfer from <http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/> http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ to < ttps://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc> https://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc... or a tentative date? For your information... the Yahoo group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emc-pstc/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emc-pstc/ can be easily configured to operate both as a listserver-based service and a web-based service. As a web-based service, <https://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc> https://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc does offer some advantages over Yahoo Groups (as referenced below)... but as a listserver-based service, it's advantage over majordomo is that it allows the member to control the delivery of messages (ie, individual emails, daily digest or no email) and messages can be viewed online http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emc-pstc/messages. I would recommend that you consider a migration to Yahoo Groups, once the data transfer to <https://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc> https://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc is complete. Should the planned data transfer be not possible, you may want to consider a full migration to Yahoo Groups, as listserver/web-based solution. Here in Ottawa, Canada... we have a group called RAFT - Regulatory Approvals Forum for Technology, and have been using Yahoo Groups <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RAFT-Global/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RAFT-Global/ for the past 2 years. I have joined <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emc-pstc/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emc-pstc/ some time ago... If you want to give it some consideration, I can volunteer to make the additional configuration changes. Please let me know your thought, and the Group owner will need to have me assigned as Moderator. Regards, <http://ca.geocities.com/guyboone/My_Page.html> Guy Boone, P. Eng Electrical Engineer, specializing in Safety Compliance, Power/Control Systems Design & Buildings Engineering Steering Committee Member - <http://www.raft-global.org/> www.RAFT-Global.org 35 Athena Way Tel: 613-823-7534 Ottawa (Nepean), ON K2G 6S1 Cell: 613-850-6533 From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Jim Bacher Sent: January 23, 2003 10:54 AM To: 'Andre, Pierre-Marie'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: EMC-PSTC Email Forum We have had a couple major glitches with the movement of data. We are working on an alternate solution to the issue. As soon as we have worked out the details we will let you know. Jim From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Andre, Pierre-Marie Sent: January 23, 2003 4:24 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: EMC-PSTC Email Forum On the <http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/index.html> http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/index.html I can read : "The EMC-PSTC archives will be moved to another site shortly. The new location will be announced shortly. Make sure you check here often." Is there any target date to make the new location available? Many thanks for your answer This forum is really useful Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Rich Nute Sent: January 2, 2003 12:22 PM To: Product Safety Technical Committee Cc: Jim Bacher; mg.ca...@ieee.org Subject: The listserver WILL continue. Thank you for all the comments on the listserver-based service versus the web-based service. The IEEE listserver WILL continue. I apologize for not being clear on this point. We started with listserver service. However, the listserver does not satisfy all of the needs of our subscribers. So, we supplement the listserver with a web service. Some of our supplemental needs: 1. Archive of listserver messages, with a search function. 2. A means for providing papers that cannot be sent via the listserver due to size limitations. 3. A means for announcing local chapter activities without sending the notice worldwide. 4. A means for selective messaging (to eliminate non-pertinent messages from your inbox). 5. A means for providing papers of both general interest and highly-specialized interest. 6. A means for reporting IEEE EMC Society and emerging Product Safety Society activity. 7. A means for threaded discussions. etc. The ideal scheme would include all of this in a single integrated scheme. As explained in my previous message, for the moment we do not have this capability. Both the listserver service and the web-based service provide discussions. Therein lies the problem: Two discussion groups, with no connection between them. The listserver discussions are readily transmitted over all forms of connections. The web-based discussions are largely impractical for slow (telephone) connections. We recognize this. For the moment, we have two discussion services. Your usage of each will influence how we will resolve the two discussions into one. Or maybe, separate, user-selectable discussions based on our broad topics of EMC, safety, telecom, wireless, etc. I welcome your comments and suggestions! Best regards, Rich From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Rich Nute Sent: January 2, 2003 11:37 AM To: jde...@nas.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; hhho...@yahoo.com; mg.ca...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Death of the listserver Hi Jim: Thanks for your message. > The EMC Laboratory that I work for (Acme Testing Company in Acme, > Washington) has the quietest open-field Emissions Sites (OATS) within a 1000 > mile radius. We planned it that way. The village of Acme has a total > population of under 100 people. My home in Glacier, WA (five miles from the > Canadian border) has a population of 90. Cable and telephone companies do > not run underground cable for 90 people. Cable or broadband Internet is a > wetdream that will never happen here. It's 56k ... or nothing. > > I find this daily interchange of EMC-related topics to be very important in > my work. I will miss it if the participation dwindles. Our intent is to provide more and better service to our subscribers. A few years ago, we surveyed our listserver subscribers. One big feedback item was that many subscribers did not want to get all of the messages, but only those that were in their line of interest. Two years ago, the IEEE engaged Mindcruiser to help them set up e-communities. EMC-PSTC was invited to participate as we have nearly what the IEEE envisioned as an e-community. Mindcruiser would support selective e-mail distribution of messages. Jim and I and the IEEE worked with Mindcruiser to set up an e-community web site. Jim and I insisted that the Mindcruiser site support the listserver function. Mindcruiser developed a listserver support function that worked, but we had a number of other problems with Mindcruiser as did the IEEE. So, the IEEE discontinued their contract with Mindcruiser and changed to Community Zero, who already had a functioning e-community web application. Community Zero met the IEEE needs, but does not and will not support a listserver function. Your feedback is important to us. Clearly, the C-Zero web-based e-community does not meet all of our subscriber needs. At the moment, we are looking at two, separate schemes. One is web-based. The other is listserver based. The web-based scheme can notify the listserver subscribers of items posted on the web site. But, it does not work the other way around. We won't sacrifice our function to meet the IEEE needs. Whatever scheme the IEEE arrives at, it will not drive us to satisfy the scheme versus satisfying our subscribers. Best wishes for the New Year! Rich From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [ mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: January 2, 2003 6:20 AM To: 'Luke Turnbull' Cc: 'IEEE EMC-PSTC GROUP' Subject: RE: Changes to IEEE emc-pstc web-based services Luke I sympathise with people with dial up connections and would be sorry to see the loss of these contributors. However, there is a Yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emc-pstc/ that was formed in 1998. Is there any way that this could be used? Thanks Ian Gordon From: Luke Turnbull [ mailto:luke.turnb...@trw.com] Sent: 02 January 2003 09:22 Subject: Re: Changes to IEEE emc-pstc web-based services This won't work. If you want to look at how badly online forums work, look at the IEE website. Maybe one of the group can set up a list server elsewhere if the IEEE is sure it wants to stop the service. Luke Turnbull From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Rich Nute Sent: December 31, 2002 1:20 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Changes to IEEE emc-pstc web-based services Effective today, we are replacing our web-based services. Old: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ New: https://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc The archive has been moved to the new web site, but is not yet up and running. We'll keep you posted as to when we have it available. This new site does not have listserver capability. However, it does send personal e-mail notices (daily, weekly, or monthly) when a discussion item has been posted to the site. The notice includes a link directly to that specific posting. Furthermore, you can select the discussions which are of interest to you (as opposed to getting all discussion items). When a message is posted to the site, the system will notify the poster as to replies, and will notify all members that the posting has been made. The web-based servic! e offers opportunity for posting of papers and similar items. The site already has a few contributions, some of which were moved from the old site. We'd like to see an electronic version of the old "Product Safety Newsletter" that had so many good technical papers and news. We feel this e-community is a good step to the formation of the Product Safety Society. (You'll find news and listings of officers and chapters on this site.) Please check out the new web-based service. We call it an "e-community." At the moment, if you want to participate in this e-community, please contact either of us Rich Nute or Jim Bacher, or Marilyn Catis at IEEE, mg.ca...@ieee.org. (One of us needs to subscribe you to the e-community.) To the extent that we can, we'd like to move our activity to the web rather than use the listserver. If you h! ave difficulty connecting to the site, or if you have comm! ents, please contact either of us, or Marilyn Catis. Best wishes for the New Year! Richard Nute Jim Bacher co-administrators, IEEE emc-pstc forums Replies to this message may be posted in the following public forum: Change in <http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/direct/topic/a/ID547374> emc-pstc web-based services
