Mark In order to try to give some answers to your questions, we need to know what levels of testing you do for EMC, safety (etc.), i.e.: are they:
a) full standards-compliance tests, in which case the equipment is often likely to be physically &/or electrically damaged and may well not be working at the end of the tests. or b) Only visual inspections and/or non-intrusive/non-damaging/non-"abnormals" tests. Case a) items would almost certainly NOT be suitable for sale as "new" items, although when properly electrically and cosmetically "refurbished" and re-production-tested (inc hipot etc), and then could probably be sold as Used, Refurbished or "demo" stock (etc), and with full (?) warrantee etc. However, in such cases, it would be prudent to annotate the production records with details of the tests performed and the results found, in case that currently-hidden faults caused by these tests develop at a later stage to the level of non-compliances. Case b) items would almost certainly be OK to sell as "new" since these types of tests are essentially only extended versions of production QA audit tests, and might well be more reliable in service due to the extended burn-in period to which they have been subjected. OTOH, some parts of the equipment may simply be "aged" by such tests and their life-expectency thus reduced. So the answer seems to be "it depends", and there is a strong element of professional judgement and ethics involved :- would you AS A CUSTOMER feel happy about being sold case a) or case b) equipment without knowing something of it's history? If not, then don't sell it to someone else, or do so only with full disclosure! Regards John Allen, Technical Consultant EMC and Safety Engineering ERA Technology Ltd. Cleeve Road Leatherhead Surrey KT22 7SA UK Tel: +44-1372-367025 (Direct) +44-1372-367000 (Switchboard) Fax: +44-1372-367102 From: Mark M Sweeny [mailto:sween...@appliedbiosystems.com] Sent: 14 August 2003 19:16 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: New vs. Used Instruments When we need to do compliance testing on alternate constructions, we sometimes have to take a unit out of inventory. When this instrument is returned to inventory, is it considered new or used? Are there any industry or legal standards which differentiates between new or used instruments? All opinions on this issue are appreciated. Thank you, Mark Sweeny Senior Manager Compliance Engineering Applied Biosystems This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.mci.com ************************************************************************* Copyright ERA Technology Ltd. 2003. (www.era.co.uk). All rights reserved. The information supplied in this Commercial Communication should be treated in confidence. No liability whatsoever is accepted for any loss or damage suffered as a result of accessing this message or any attachments. _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.mci.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc