Hello,

Thank you all for replying to my question
concerning the MDD (EMC directive 89/336/EEC)
As funny as this may seem - yesterday was the
first day I had ever seen and read that document. 

* Warning, my personal questions expressed here * 
* does not represent my employer's past, present, *
* future activities or frame of mind!!! *

Note, This pesky technician is just trying to 
better understand this process... ((Dang those 
liberals who believe in free thought and 
thinking!))

Since sales of medical equipment into the EU is 
governed by IEC 60601-1-2 2nd edition, all new 
medical equipment shipping into the EU after Nov 
of 2004 must be certified compliant to this
document. Nov 2004 EU sales of pre Rev 2 equipment 
is NOT allowed (grand-fathering is NOT allowed.)

Background:

We design and manufacture large medical products
which at times contains "large" sub-systems.
Many questions have come up concerning reconfiguring
(EU installed equipment) to an "as new apparatus"
be it pre IEC 601-1-2 first edition or post to
60601-1-2 2nd edition manufactured date. 

QUESTION, Is the Council Directive 89/336/EEC 
the right document to define or address questions 
of reconditioning, refurnished or reconfigured 
installed base (large sub-systems) to "as new 
apparatus"?"  

SCENARIO 1, There is a large installed base of
EU first edition product that still wants currently 
produced hardware "options or upgrades." What
happens after Nov 2004? Can those "options or 
upgrades" remain as first edition status and
still be sold?

SCENARIO 2, If they have to be "re-worked" for
second edition compliance, opps, we have created
a new part-number plus a new catalog item which 
therefore implies a new product!  

Dang, doesn't that mean having to re-certify this 
"new" configuration (the whole product verses the
options or upgrades) as second edition???  Dang, 
this may not be profitable to do, factoring in
the EMC fixes and EMC test times.  Dang,

Thank you in advance for your replies, what a 
great resource.

Regards,

dave garnier


                        David Garnier
                        e GE Medical Systems
                        ___________________________________________
                        David S. Garnier
                        Senior Technician
                        Functional & CT Engineering
                        3000 N. Grandview Ave - M/S W-1250
                        Waukesha, Wi. 53188
                        Tel: 262.312.7246
                        Cel:  414-899-7580 (NEW)





From: Ned Devine [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:39 AM
To: Garnier, David S (MED); [email protected]
Subject: RE: EU's EMC directive 89/336/EEC


Dave,

As you alluded to, the MDD takes precedence over the EMC Directive.

" Whereas the electromagnetic compatibility aspects form an integral
part of the safety of medical devices; whereas this Directive should
contain specific rules on this subject with regard to Council Directive
89/336/EEC of 3 May 1989 on the approximation of the laws of the Member
States relating to electromagnetic compatibility (8);"

Ned Devine
Entela Inc


From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Garnier, David S
(MED)
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: EU's EMC directive 89/336/EEC


Gentlemen,

I just searched this document for the word "medical" or
"medical device" and I found zero occurrences!

Pardon my ignorance but is this an oversight? 
Or does the IEC60601 medical series documents take prescience?

Thank You,

dave garnier
                        David Garnier
                        e GE Medical Systems
                        ___________________________________________
                        David S. Garnier
                        Senior Technician
                        Functional & CT Engineering
                        3000 N. Grandview Ave - M/S W-1250
                        Waukesha, Wi. 53188
                        Tel: 262.312.7246
                        Cel:  414-899-7580 (NEW)





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