http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ -------------------------------------------------- Peter, I didn't say I couldn't prove it, I had the technical construction file. What I said was I didn't send it with the shipment and have never been asked for it. If I remember the time frame right I have 10 days for Europe, and I'd have to look for the FCC but I think it very similar time frame, to produce the material and get it to them. About a 1/2 day to get it to the mail room so 9 1/2 for shipping. (Actually, if I had an email address I could have shipped it electronically) Gary
From: peter merguerian [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:43 PM To: Gary McInturff; '[email protected]'; [email protected] Subject: RE: IEC and the CB Scheme Gary, You are very lucky. I have heard of some cases of imprisonment and some cases of very hefty fines. Basically, the process is very similar to the US FDA and the US FCC. The heaviest punishments is when the product caused a hazard and the manufacturer or importer were unable to prove compliance with the essential requirements of the Directives. However, I have not yet heard of any such cases and am interested to know whether someone in the group has a link or articles on this issue. Regards, Peter Merguerian Gary McInturff <[email protected]> wrote: http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ I've never been stopped due to a lack of test reports - or the technical construction file for that matter. Only when the manufacturing site forgot to apply the CE mark et all and the DoC didn't get included in the shipment. The tests, file, and all of the necessary approval steps HAD already been completed - there was just a small paperwork screw-up in apply the appropriate marks. In fact when stopped it only took a few days to get the DoC to the authorities and off it went. (I still don't remember sending the test reports etc - but its been awhile) Gary From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: IEC and the CB Scheme http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ > I have had numerous occasions where a manufacturer is in "panic" mode > and needed their product tested for CE (yes, within a few days), because they have done nothing about it and have been stopped by Europewan customs. What was the legal ground to stop products due to lack of test results (reports)? Just curious. John Radomski peter merguerian , peter merguerian o.com> , Dan Anchondo , [email protected] Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@listse Subject: RE: IEC and the CB Scheme rv.ieee.org 08/04/2004 12:49 AM http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ Brian, What is a CE Test Report? It is one that the manufacturer has gathered, either in-house or externally, to determine the product is CE compliant. Remember you can go to any laboratory that meets your criteria of a test lab (my strong recommendation is to ensure it is one that is accredited to ISO 17025). Also note that the CE documentation (EMC, safety, etc.) must be available within 10 days after the manufacturer or importer is requested to do so by the European authorities. I have had numerous occasions where a manufacturer is in "panic" mode and needed their product tested for CE (yes, within a few days), because they have done nothing about it and have been stopped by Europewan customs. Best Regards, Peter Merguerian Brian O'Connell wrote: http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ What is a "CE Test Report" ? thanks, Brian From: peter merguerian [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:28 AM To: Dan Anchondo; [email protected] Subject: Re: IEC and the CB Scheme Hello Dan, No, a CB Test Report is not required to make a European CE Declaration. Typically for CE, the manufacturer gets his product tested in his own accredited laboratory or at a third party laboratory and declares compliance with all the applicable Directives. The CB Test Report is not only for power supplies. You can get a CB to many categories including but not limited to: Household Appliances IEC60335 , Lasers (IEC825), ITE (IEC60950), Laboratory Measurement and Test Equipment (IEC61010), etc. etc. A CB Test Report allows you to test the product at one NCB appointed by the IEC in a particular country (say TUV Rheinland of North America) such that the test results are accepted by another NCB in another country (such as SII in Israel). Remember, Test Results only are usually accepted. However, some NCBs such as TUV Rheinland of North America have excellent rapports with various test agencies in the world, such that not only the test results are accepted but also the construction. By the way, you can cover the power supply and product in the same CB Test Report. Why pay the expense of doing two reports? A CB Test Report is not much more expensive than doing just a CE Test Report. For IEC60950-1, there are 25 countries participating countries - however, there are other countries who either are not an IEC member or have missed being in the Technical Bulletin, but who still accept CB Test Reports. If you have any other questions regarding CE, CB, GS, cTUVus Listing/Recognition/Clasification, Wi-Fi, NEBS, Ergonomics, ISO9000, Machinery, Household Appliances, Audio/Video Appliances, Luminaires, Telecoms, Pressure Vessels, Medical, Telecoms, NOM (Mexico), CCC (China), S Mark (Argentina), GOST (Russia) etc., let me know either privately or via the emc-pstc list. Regards, Peter Merguerian This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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