As far as I know, there are lead free products on the market since some
years (far east); they do not seem to have problems with the tin pest. Why?
Warm climate? Using Sb in the tin? Or is the tin pest just a theoretical
problem? (Do you wonder why they bundled electronic recycling and lead free
together? It seems they expect short lifetime of electronics.)

M.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 02:43:51AM -0500, John Barnes wrote:
> Piotr,
> The information on tin pest (tin plague, tin leprosy, tin disease) is
> still rather sketchy, although it has been known since the late 1800's. 
> In my now-347-page Bibliography for Designing Lead-Free, RoHS-
> Compliant, and WEEE-Compliant Electronics (I had to add a 10th
> file-cabinet drawer for my reference collection this weekend), at
>    http://www.dbicorporation.com/rohsbib.htm
> I think I have fewer than 20 books, papers, reports, magazine articles,
> and web pages that discuss tin pest.  
>    
> The earliest references that I have personally found to tin pest are:
> *  Louis, Henry, Metallurgy of Tin. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1911, pages 
>    1-3. 
> *  Cohen, Ernst, "Infected tin or the "tin-pest"," Journal of the 
>    Franklin Institute , vol. 173 no. 5, pp. 531, May 1912. 
> 
> Two papers on tin pest in lead-free solders are:
> *  Kariya, Yoshiharu, Gagg, Colin, and Plumbridge, William, "Tin pest in
>    lead-free solders," Soldering & Surface Mount Technology, vol. 13 no. 
>    1, pp. 39-40, 2000. 
> *  Kariya, Yoshijaru, Williams, Naomi, Gagg, Colin, and Plumbridge, 
>    William, "Tin Pest in Sn-0.5 wt.% Cu Lead-Free Solder," JOM, vol.
>    53 no. 6, pp. 39-41, June 2001. 
> 
> >From everything that I have read, once tin pest begins, the only way to
> stop it completely is to melt the material down and start all over
> again...  I'm still searching for information on whether tin pest will
> continue at temperatures above 13 degrees C once it has started, or
> whether it only progresses at temperatures below 13 degree C.  
> 
> I have seen a few documents that say that as little as 0.2-0.3% of lead
> in a tin alloy will prevent tin pest.  But this is well over the 0.1%
> lead permitted by the first amendment to the RoHS Directive (2002/95/EC,
>    http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2003/l_037/
>    l_03720030213en00190023.pdf
> 
>    http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2005/
>    l_214/l_21420050819en00650065.pdf   )
> 
> If I was manufacturing/selling a lead-free product, I'd be extremely
> reluctant to provide a warranty longer than *1 year*, because of 
> concerns with:
> *  Tin whiskers, causing short circuits.
> *  Tin pest (tin plague, tin leprosy, tin disease), causing opens when
>    the solder turns to dust at temperatures below 13 degrees C.
> *  Sensitivity to physical shock, causing opens when a product is 
>    dropped even a short distance onto a hard surface.
> *  Kirkendall voids, causing opens.
> *  Conductive anodic filaments (CAF), causing shorts *inside* printed 
>    circuit boards.
> 
> I've been recommending to our clients that they not make a whole-hog
> commitment switching their products to lead-free/RoHS-compliance, if
> they don't have to.  If they have lead-containing products that are in
> production, and can remain in production for some time without parts/
> processes going obsolete on them, consider leaving them among their
> product offerings.  Then, if as I fear, many lead-free products turn out
> to be unsafe-- killing and injuring people, burning down buildings,
> etc.-- in addition to being short-lived and unreliable, the company will
> still have products that it can sell in most of the world.  And maybe it
> won't go bankrupt, while the companies that switched all their products
> to lead-free find that they can't sell any of their products anywhere in
> the world...
>  
> If it is any consolation, the (European) Product Liability Directive (
> Directive 85/374/EEC, 
> http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/consleg/pdf/1985/en_1985L0374_do_001.pdf
> ) says in Article 7:
>      "The producer shall not be liable as a result of this Directive if
>      he proves:
>      ...
>      (d) that the defect is due to compliance of the product with 
>          mandatory regulations issued by the public authorities; ..."
> 
> At the personal level, when it is your own money you are spending, since
> April 2005 I have been recommending to friends and co-workers:
> 1.  Don't buy any *new* electronics between January 2006 and June 2007.
> 2.  If given a choice between a RoHS-Compliant product and one that
>     doesn't claim RoHS-compliance, buy the latter.
> 3.  If offered an extended warranty, buy the longest one available...
>     and hope that the company offering it stays in business long 
>     enough to replace your unit when it dies within the warranty period.
> 4.  If you are replacing a working unit, and have the space and can 
>     afford it, KEEP YOUR OLD UNIT SO THAT YOU STILL HAVE SOMETHING
>     TO USE WHEN THE RoHS-COMPLIANT UNIT DIES.
> 
> John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, NCT, ESDC Eng, ESDC Tech, PSE, SM IEEE
> dBi Corporation
> http://www.dbicorporation.com/
> 
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