I don't really see this discussion relevant to this forum however - standards bodies are usually not-for-profit organisations and have to generate an income to cover costs - what are you suggesting? .............say because the EU produces so much legislation which results in the need for standards that the EU should cough up and pay towards the standards??
In the UK we have to pay for documentation covering national legislation requirements pertaining to the operating of a business so where is the difference - as someone else said, it is the cost of doing business - factor it in to your overheads. Regards, Chris From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gemma Paolo Sent: 11 January 2006 08:53 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Making Standards Free This is not not completely exact. Standards from ETSI are free, for telecom they are equivalent to FCC, standards from CENELEC are not free. ITU-T are thinking to make their document free in future. Paolo Gemma Siemens S.p.A. COM CRD MW ST EMC & Safety SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de' Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 022437 6587 fax +39 0224376375 mobile +39 348 3690185 e-mail [email protected] From: [email protected] [mailto] On Behalf Of Derek Walton Sent: martedì 10 gennaio 2006 19.30 To: Anchondo, Dan Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Making Standards Free Hmm.. not a good analogy. If you are legally obligated to meet a requirement e.g. FCC, CE, then it is reasonable to assume the requirements you have to meet are free. So in the USA, the FCC REQUIREMENTS are free. CFR 47 is on the web. The technical path describing how to do it is not: ANSI C63.4 The desparity is in the EU, where I believe that you pay for both. While the EMC Directive is free ( and worth every penny ), product standards defining REQUIREMENTS are not. The technical path on how to demonstrate compliance e.g. EN 61000-* also costs money. Therefore, I would propose that we DON't pay for requirements, but as a compromise, we pay for methodology. Thoughts? Derek Walton PS, MIL STD 461 is still one of the best EMC documents around, and it's free... Anchondo, Dan wrote on 1/10/2006, 11:50 AM: > All > I would like a standard to be free but as with any other profession you > have to pay for your tools. Ill be shopping for antennas and spectrum > analyzers in the near future and I don't expect to get them for free so > standards are just another cost of doing business. > Regards > Dan Anchondo > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John > Woodgate > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Making Standards Free > > In message > <C7D [email protected]>, dated > Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Scott Drysdale <[email protected]> writes > >I agree with Ed. The concept that a 'rule' depends on, references, or > >is copyrighted material is debatable. In a legal sense, the copyright > >holder can have too much control over the distribution of their > >intellectual property. > > Yes, and in the past that has happened. I think the trend to 'open > government' and 'freedom of information' makes it less likely to happen > in the future. All national and international standards are, of course, > available for purchase, and I know of no case where a standard is > 'priced beyond reach'. > -- > OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk > 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immoderately. > > John Woodgate > > - > -------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. 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