My experience is with air conditioners which may not be as complicated as your equipment. I have had products that include up to five motors, some with VFD and others with electronically commutation. These products have also included electric heaters and other electric loads. I agree that the correct marking can become complicated, but I can give some guidance. UL 1995 for heating and cooling equipment has marking requirements based off of NFPA 70. The requirement for UL 1995 is marking that represents the worst case load, but that can be based on the normal operation. If you have two motor loads that cannot be on at the same time, you only include the FLA for the larger of the two motors. The guidance from UL 1995 can generally be extended to other equipment. Please note that you must determine the worst case operating condition, even if it would be a very rare occurrence. The NFPA 70 required marking is used to determine the wire, disconnect and overcurrent protection sizes. These devices must be sized appropriately for all possible conditions. If your equipment has multiple supply connections, a separate calculation is required for each. You have to use your best judgment where computer controls are used to limit internal components to ratings of less than full power. Generally, unless your software has been tested thoroughly for safety, you cannot depend on it to limit a device to 50% power. This type of testing is a long and arduous process and is best avoided. Hardware interlocks are much easier to test and certify. Software can also be more easily changed. An operating mode that was not originally anticipated could be programmed into the system. At that point, the required wire size or overcurrent protection may change, yet it would be unlikely that a maintenance department would rewire the equipment accordingly unless expressly instructed to do so. Would your programmers recognize that the ratings need to change? This is yet another reason to depend on hardware only for safety and not to depend on proper operation of software. Ted Eckert The opinions expressed are strictly my own.
lauren_cr...@amat.com wrote: For industrial machinery, the NEC (NF{PA 70) requires an FLA marking on the machine nameplate, and that the value "shall not be less than the sum of the full-load currents required for all motors and other equipment that may be in operation at the same time under normal conditions of use." Large, complex machinery may have many, many loads fed from its internal power distribution system (e.g., controllers, power supplies, robots, etc...). Each of these sub-systems is usually a stand-alone commercial product with a nameplate of its own indicating its own FLA rating. More often than not, such large complex machinery is not operated with all of its sub-systems running at full power (e.g., all set to '10'). In typical operation it may be that many are set at 8, most at 5 and a few at 2 (for example). Does the 'may' in 'may be in operation at the same time' require that one consider what *could* happen even if it is not how the machine would ever, realistically, be operated, or is it acceptable to take some empirical measurements for a 'typical' operating scenario and set the nameplate FLA based on that? Is there any commonly accepted position paper for US electrical inspectors on this point? The issue of course is whoever installs the machine has to design their infrastructure to support the nameplate FLA. If a machine nameplate FLA must be determined by the simple addition of sub-system FLA's, then there is possibility for great waste (unneeded current carrying capability). If a machine nameplate FLA can be set by some more empirical method (e.g., current draw during intended use), then sensible infrastructure is possible. ============== 60204-1:2005 The question converts into the EU also since '204 has very similar criteria for the full-load current marking of the nameplate. "The full-load current shown on the nameplate shall be not less than the running currents for all motors and other equipment that can be in operation at the same time under normal conditions." Thanks for any insight/advice. Lauren Crane (Mr.) Product Regulatory Analyst Corporate Product EHS Lead Applied Materials Inc. Austin, TX 512 272-6540 [#922 26540] --------- - External Use - Save paper and trees! Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc ________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http //mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc