Dear Perkins,

      Thanks for the valuable feedback, certainly it is very useful in many
practical aspects. The condition prevailing in ITE industry today does not
allow slips in schedule. I am sure that not only SCM every one is waking in
a tight rope. If I tell my supply chain to start procurement after I
complete all certification they will laugh at me.

      I thank to everyone who replied to my query through the forum or to
my personal ID.

Sincerely                                                          
 SCM
Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd.
K. Balasubramanian                   
                        Modules 0506,
0507 & 0508, D – Block,

Manager – Hardware      
                                    South 
Wing,

TIDEL Park,
Tel : +91 44 42931391                 
                       #4, Rajiv
Gandhi Road,(formerly Canal Bank Road)
Fax :+91 44 
22540029                                       
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Chennai – 600113. India

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K. Balasubramanian & PSNet,

    It seems that because of the described trouble you are having with
your certification supplier you are making the process more difficult for
yourself by the way you approach the process.

    Working with the test house in steps opens the door for additional
review of the design for compliance.

    You have probably started this 2 step method because you weren't
sure if you understood the requirements and the standard well enough to get
the equipment to pass all at once.

    Most manufacturers that I know don't utilize a multiple pass
certification process.

    Once you have developed confidence (maybe you are there already) why
don't you just approach them once to get the certification you need and
move
into production of the unit?  It would seem that you would minimize your
trouble and probably save a little money in the process.

    For each new product there are only a few new issues that arise and
you should be able to discuss those with a certification engineer that you
have worked with recently to get assurance that you are moving ahead in a
mutually agreeable way.  This will pave the way for a smooth certification
process.

    As with any business process with a supplier the relationship that
you develop with the folks with which you work regularly is important.

:>)     br,     Pete

Peter E Perkins, PE
Principal Product Safety Engineer
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Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: UL 60950 preliminary inspection / design review

Dear Experts,

      We submit most of products to UL for 60950 listing. Almost 95 % of
our products are UL listed. We find it very difficult to complete the
cycle. Many times we come across situations that the parts used are not
meeting UL spec. and a redesign is inevitable. This further complicates the
things and delay the cycle. We look for some consultants who can help us by
participating from the design review stage itself.
      The most sad part is many times we submit the product to UL for
preliminary inspection during the proto stage and UL (India office located
at Bangalore) gives pass report. Then we go for pilot production
(simultaneously we initiate procurement for mass production also) and
submit the pilot samples to the same UL office for final certification. At
this time UL is coming with new findings and ultimately product fails to
get UL listing. All the times I am sure that there is no difference between
the proto samples and pilot samples. Mostly some resistor values get
changed between proto and pilot.
      It is not clear to me whether it is the competence issue at UL India
or UL is greedy in money making. I look for advise from the experts of this
forum. I have been told that UL Taiwan is more proficient in 60950
standard. Is this true?

Sincerely                                                          
 SCM
Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd.
K. Balasubramanian                   
                        Modules 0506,
0507 & 0508, D – Block,

Manager – Hardware      
                                    South 
Wing,

TIDEL Park,
Tel : +91 44 42931391                 
                       #4, Rajiv
Gandhi Road,(formerly Canal Bank Road)
Fax :+91 44 
22540029                                       
 Taramani,
Chennai – 600113. India

E-mail:[email protected]          Web : 
http://scmmicro.com
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