Definitely a new RoHS candidate...
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:46 AM To: Derek Walton; Ted Eckert Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: New Product Proposal Speaking of water, check www.dhmo.org for the straight scoop on this dangerous chemical. Talk about something that need regulating! :-) Ghery Pettit From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek Walton Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:40 AM To: Ted Eckert Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: New Product Proposal Hi Ted, now you knew this was coming.... We discuss regulation, that INCLUDES OVER REGULATION. List server members contribute to committees that determine regulations and hearing too many Nanny state opinions sways the regulation process. Thats what I meant when I stated you repeat it until you believe it. Your statement about "potentially unsafe product" is loaded. Water is potentially unsafe, but we would die without it. I'd further like to point out that uncomfortable topics need as much discussion as comfortable ones... Those that don't like can always hit delete. Sincerely, Derek Walton. Ted Eckert wrote: > This list is to address regulations regarding EMC and product safety. I agree with Lee that the topic is straying too far from the central purpose of the list. > > I have no objection to the free discussion of various topics. Personally, I rather be exposed to as many views and as much information as possible to allow me to make an informed view. However, there are members of this list who may feel uncomfortable when some topics unrelated to EMC or product safety are discussed. The list is best served by maintaining a larger membership that is willing to contribute. > > Even the original post in this series may be considered outside of the core intent of the list. The laser in question is clearly being abused. Somebody went through some work to create a potentially dangerous product. There are regulations regarding the use of Class 3 lasers and the product for sale is sold without the approvals, documentation and warnings to the user. I rather see people discuss what regulations apply to such a product and how to sell it appropriately, if at all. > > Ted Eckert > Compliance Engineer > Microsoft Corporation > [email protected] > > The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Walton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: New Product Proposal > > Hi Lee, > > I disagree: this list addresses regulations, and discussing excessive > regulation is totally appropriate. You cant say things are bad without > hearing the opposite side of the argument. > > Sincerely, > > Derek. > > PS, see you in Austin? > > Lee Hill wrote: > >> I feel this topic is getting outside of the intended purpose of the >> list-server >> >> Lee >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek Walton >> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:33 AM >> To: James, Chris >> Cc: Taylor, Michael; Oscar Overton; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: New Product Proposal >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> We all know banning doesn't work, history has shown that: and the Darwin >> awards showcase gene pool removal..... I feel safer in Texas, or >> Arizona, where I know if someone tries a stunt with a weapon that 1/2 >> the resteraunt will stop him/her before a carnage will occur. I no >> longer feel safe like that in Manchester or Warrington where I grew up. >> I've lived in these places, so thats my experience. >> >> Not trying to advocate guns etc, just stress banning doesn't work. That >> just means the bad guys/gals have the things being banned. >> >> So to answer your question, yes, I tolerate some idiots. Better one or >> two crazys being dealt with than the rest of us becoming vanilla... Go >> after the crazies. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Derek. >> >> James, Chris wrote: >> >> >>> So you are happy to have zip guns, modified air weapons firing live >>> rounds and the like on the street too - seems like this device would be >>> equally good for mugging someone. >>> >>> As for the other - the rules are there to protect the majority, >>> hopefully preventing fires, explosions and electrocutions in domestic >>> situations - like you I personally find it an encroachment but unlike >>> many I understand the need for competency when undertaking such work and >>> knowing ones limitations. >>> >>> I have been in houses where mains cable has been nailed along the >>> skirting board and round door frames to feed wall additional sockets in >>> rooms, or in one case a power shower - that owner was actually proud of >>> such handi-work. >>> >>> C >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Derek Walton [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: 05 February 2009 15:00 >>> To: James, Chris >>> Cc: Taylor, Michael; Oscar Overton; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: New Product Proposal >>> >>> hi All, >>> >>> I guess I'm used to being Politically incorrect, it's what life's >>> experiences teaches me to be.. So..... >>> >>> I'm all in favor of devices like these. I DO NOT believe in baning >>> things unless absolutely avoidable. I don't think that the majority >>> should be punished for the stupidity of the few. >>> >>> My birth country was England, where it's absolutely incredible how such >>> a country has been clamped down. You cant install your own gas, or by >>> now electrical appliances by yourself without running legal risks. >>> Actions like restricting experimenting tools totally kill the pioneering >>> >>> spirit! >>> >>> If it IS against the law to sell such devices, it won't be the first >>> time that I've thought the law is an A$$. >>> >>> Not my intent to offend, but it sometimes it seems like we repeat things >>> >>> often enough and begin to believe it. You can start fires with >>> magnifying glasses too: going to ban them? As engineers an pioneers we >>> should be advocating not condemning experimentation like this. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Derek Walton >>> >>> >>> James, Chris wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> ....... and how many more people will start trying this out as it >>>> spreads on the www ..... misuse of laser pointers were bad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> enough....... >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Taylor, >>> >>> >>> >>>> Michael >>>> Sent: 04 February 2009 19:36 >>>> To: Oscar Overton; [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: New Product Proposal >>>> >>>> Doesn't this dumb smuck realize he is liable under CFR 21: (sub J), >>>> 1040 for selling a class 3B laser that could toast some one's eye ??? >>>> I'm sure CDRH would love to see the Craigslist and the video. >>>> // Michael Taylor >>>> Loveland, CO >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Oscar >>>> Overton >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:15 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: New Product Proposal >>>> >>>> How scary is this? >>>> >>>> http://lexington.craigslist.org/ele/1018576822.html >>>> >>>> - >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society >>>> emc-pstc discussion list. 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