Curtis, The notice actually says that the DEADLINE for registration has been pushed back, but it fails to tell us to what date at this time. This is NOT a postponement of the Regulation - that has already been passed into law. It is simply an extension of the deadline date for registration, meaning that you still must register, you just have a little more time.
If you have concerns about the registry, writing to CSA will have little value as they are not involved in the regulation nor in the registry. The Regulation is the purview of the Ontario Minister of Small Buisness and Consumer Services, the Honourable Harinder Takhar. In order to contact him about your concerns, you can email him at [email protected] , or you can snail mail him at: The Honourable Mr. Harinder Takhar, Minister Ministry of Small Business and Consumer Services 6th Floor, Mowat Block Queen’s Park 900 Bay Street, Toronto, Ontario M7A 1L2 Canada 1-877-665-0662 (416) 327-8300 Fax: (416) 326-1947 You should also address your concerns to: The Honourable Ms. Sandra Pupatello, Minister Ministry of Economic Development and Trade 8th Floor, Hearst Block 900 Bay St. Toronto ON M7A 2E1 Canada Phone 416-325-6666 Fax 416-325-6688 Toll free 1-866-668-4249 [email protected] You can also write to the Premier of Ontario: Dalton McGuinty, Premier Legislative Building Queen's Park Toronto ON M7A 1A1 fax (416) 325-3745 Finally, you should also contact ESA directly. You can email them through their web site, using the link to Norm Breton, the gentleman in charge of the program. Their physical address is: Electrical Safety Authority 155A Matheson Blvd. W., Suite 202 Mississauga, Ontario L5R 3L5 Canada You may also want to check out this page on their web site that discusses the source of their authority: http://www.esasafe.com/Corporate/abt_002.php?s=0 Mr. Breton will also be speaking on this subject at our Symposium in October, so you could take the opportunity to come and ask your questions directly. For more info on the Symposium go to www.PSESSymposium.org . -- Doug Nix, A.Sc.T. IEEE PSES Toronto Chapter Toronto Section, Ontario, Canada [email protected] mobile (519) 729-5704 fax (519) 653-1318 Find me LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougnix IEEE - Fostering Technological Innovation and Excellence for the Benefit of Humanity. Celebrating 125 Years of Engineering the Future. http://www.ieee125.org On 10-Aug-09, at 5:37 PM, Bender, Curtis wrote: > List members: > Please see the link below which states that the Ontario Regulation > 438/07 has been postponed - referencing "concerns raised by > manufacturers." > > http://www.esasafe.com/product_safety/index.php > > Is the only method to express concerns e-mail or is there an official > forum or committee or government organization (CSA??) that is openly > discussing the revisions? > > Curtis Bender | [email protected] > ________________________________________________________________________ > _ > Opinions expressed here are my own and do not reflect those of my > emplyeer > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doug > Nix > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Jim Eichner; Brian O'Connell; [email protected]; > [email protected] > Subject: Re: Ontario Regulation 438/07 (again) > > All, > > Here are a few answers to your questions: > > 1) To my knowledge, there is no 'structural' legislation document that > explains where each clause/subsection/sectionsubtends another. I can > tell you the way it works here in any case. > > Legal responsibilities in Canada are split up between the Federal > Government and the Provincial and Territorial Governments. The Feds > look after the military and National Defence, external affairs, > Aboriginal affairs, and activities that cross Provincial and > Territorial boundaries. In practice for us, this means that they look > after radio spectrum management, radiation emitting devices (both > ionizing and non-ionizing), and transportation. > > The Provinces and Territories look after anything that goes on inside > their boundaries, and that includes distribution and use of electrical > energy. > > The ACT (in this case the Ontario Electricity Act) is the 'mother' > document. Regulations are made under the Act based on the clause in > the Act that says that the Minister may make such regulations as > necessary. The Regulation gives the detailed means for the Ministry > and it's agencies, in this case ESA, to enforce the Act. The Agencies > are given the authority to do this in any way that they decide is > acceptable, within the scope of existing law in the Province. > > In this case, it is the Ministry of Small Business and Consumer > Services that is in charge of the electrical system. > > 2) I think that the assumption made by ESA is that the Manufacturer > will always have their name on the product, which is obviously > incorrect, since many manufacturers brand-label products for others. > In my opinion, it is the name on the nameplate that should be > registered, however, since I don't work for ESA and can't speak for > them, I would suggest you contact either of these two gentlemen > directly: > > Mr. Mina Yousef P.Eng. > Product safety Engineer > Electrical Safety Authority > 155A Matheson Blvd E., > Suite 202, > Mississauga, ON > Canada, L4Z 1X8 > > (905) 712-5678 > [email protected] > > OR > > Mr. Normand Breton P.Eng. > General Manager, Operations > > (905) 712-7813 > [email protected] > > > -- > Doug Nix, A.Sc.T. > IEEE PSES > Toronto Section, Ontario, Canada > > [email protected] > mobile (519) 729-5704 > fax (519) 653-1318 > > Find me LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougnix > > On 15-May-09, at 1:48 AM, Jim Eichner wrote: > >> My understanding is that "manufacturer" is defined as the company in >> whose name the product safety certification is registered. >> >> Jim Eichner, P.Eng. >> Compliance Engineering Manager >> Xantrex Technology Inc. >> e-mail: [email protected] >> web: www.xantrex.com >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any >> attachments, >> is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain >> confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, >> use, >> disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended >> recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all >> copies of the original message. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian >> O'Connell >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:18 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Ontario Regulation 438/07 (again) >> >> Good People, >> >> The text of the regulation does not specify if the manufacturer must >> register, or if the company that is on the safety label and name >> plate >> must register. >> >> The 'FAQ' published by the ESA states that only the manufacturer can >> register - but if the mfr's name is not on the name-plate, there is >> no >> basis for tracibility by the local government - which fails to comply >> with the code. >> >> Also, where is the hierarchical structure statute text defined for >> Canadian law ? It is not clear where each clause/subsection/section >> subtends another. >> >> I have sent two emails to the ESA requesting clarification; none were >> answered (probably their site problems - at least one seems to have >> bounced). >> >> Thanks much, >> Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]>
