The radio man in Vietnam really hated taking a round in the battery pack since it meant his arse usually got burnt before he could dump the pack.
- Bill Indecision may or may not be the problem. --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Ken Javor <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ken Javor <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Li-ion Question To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 1:00 PM Ditto that on all accounts - precisely the same experience, completely different battery. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: "Price, Edward" <[email protected] <http://us.mc396.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:45:14 -0700 > To: <[email protected] <htt ://us.mc396.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > Conversation: [PSES] Li-ion Question > Subject: RE: [PSES] Li-ion Question > > A few years ago, my company bought smart Lithium batteries for a > man-worn electronics pack. These batteries were about 6" wide by 8" tall > by 2" thick. These batteries we so smart that they had a built-in > microprocessor in each battery. We found that the microprocessor > radiated from the internal battery leads. Further, the battery had to > withstand 50 V/M. The batteries failed spectacularly, showing strong > polarization effects caused by pickup of sensor leads buried in the > battery packs which transferred RF right into the microprocessors. For a > while, it was like testing fuses, as I destroyed 16 out of the first 17 > test samples. > > So yes, I'll agree that the smart batteries can be a problem for both > radiated emission and immunity. > > > Ed Price > [email protected] <http://us.mc396. ail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> WB6WSN > NARTE Certified EMC Engineer > Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab > Cubic Defense Applications > San Diego, CA USA > 858-505-2780 > Military & Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <http://us. c396.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected] <http://us.mc 96.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> ] On Behalf >> Of Leber, Jody (San Diego) >> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:25 AM >> To: [email protected] <http://us.mc3 6.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> ; [email protected] <http://us.mc396.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: [PSES] Li-ion Question >> >> Bob, >> >> The CE marking would likely be based on the EMC directive >> since the circuitry may be sensitive to ESD. The battery >> normally will be under the voltage limits of the LVD. It is >> not uncommon in the industry to test the packs and cells to >> EN 62133 in addition to ESD and RF Immunity. >> If the battery is to be used in a medical application the end >> product vendor will probably request even more EMC/EMI tests. >> >> Currently for an end product to receive a CB Scheme >> Certificate any batteries used must be tested to IEC 62133. >> >> In my opinion, the cells alone should not be marked but >> batteries (cells with circuitry typically in an enclosure) >> usually will be, especially if they are serviceable by the operator. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Jody Leber >> >> SGS Consumer Testing Services >> >> Manager, Battery Test Certification Program >> >> >> SGS - U. S. Testing Company, Inc. >> >> 16870 West Bernardo Drive, Suite 250 >> San Diego, CA 92127 USA >> >> Phone: 678.469.9835 >> Fax: 858.592.7107 >> E-mail: [email protected] <http:/ us.mc396.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Heller [mailto:[email protected] <http://us.mc396.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> ] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:25 AM >> To: [email protected] <htt ://us.mc396.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> Subject: [PSES] Li-ion Question >> >> An off-the-wall question. It is my understanding that all >> Lithium Ion batteries (or other smart batteries) have digital >> circuitry in the for monitoring over-temp, etc during the >> recharging process. Do these batteries need to carry a CE >> marking because of this circuitry? >> >> Bob Heller >> St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 >> Tel: 651- 778-6336 >> >> - > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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