In this day and age, I think the key to information security is keeping control of your 'loose' hard disks, and not letting employees take laptops with huge databases off-site. ; )
Pat Lawler EMC Engineer SL Power Electronics Corp. [email protected] wrote on 07/14/2009 03:57:30 AM: > The problem with us ex-TEMPEST engineers is that we were sworn to > secrecy, and the Department of Defense made sure we would not talk > by going around, scaring the daylights out of our neighbors by > knocking on their doors, flashing a badge, and asking them personal > questions about us when we were getting our clearances. > > > > Beyond saying that TEMPEST was the control of compromising > emanations, pretty much everything else in NACSIM 5100 was classified. > > Best Regards, > Don Gies, N.C.E > Senior Product Compliance Engineer > Alcatel-Lucent > Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636USA > > > From: Bill Owsley [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: FW: WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > > > Well... TEMPEST as I heard of it, means only intelligible > information (none to be found). The device can interfere such that > nothing else works, but as long as nothing intelligible can be found > in that noise, then it's TEMPEST. The TEMPEST guys can set me > straight on this. > > As for ITE products, I have had a few that were great at self- > detecting. The EMI noise was such that the audio circuits picked it > up and sent it to the speakers for our listening enjoyment. We got > to where the we could recognise by the audio signiture just which > part was the problem. > > - Bill > Indecision may or may not be the problem. > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, CortlandRichmond<[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Cortland Richmond <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: FW: WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 8:54 PM > > In a company not really far away and only years ago, I was > evaluating a computer with a (then new) CD drive. I discovered > there was no bypassing on the headset line ("What for?. it's only > audio!") and was able to show our Board -- then touring the EMI lab > -- that we could hear on the spectrum analyzer's speaker the music > being played. > > > > IIRC,we shipped that model with plastic rivets glued into the headphone jacks. > > > > TEMPEST techniques are merely physics. A lot of folks have worked in > the field, but, true to the oath of secrecy, remain close-mouthed > about what can be done, has been done -- and might be done. Some > day an irate Congressman will explode: "You mean you knew FIFTY > YEARS AGO and didn't TELL us?" > > > > Yup. > > > > > > CortlandRichmondKA5S > > GE Aviation > > Words and opinions my own, not my employer's > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Price, Edward > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: 7/13/2009 6:26:24 PM > > Subject: FW: WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > > > > > > > From: Price, Edward > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:21 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > Bill: > > > > Same idea, but a different vulnerability. The prof was Wim Van Eck, > and he demonstrated retrieving video images from monitor radiation > circa 1985. Again, this was common knowledge among security guys, > but he introduced the phenomenon to the public. > > > > > > Ed Price > > [email protected] WB6WSN > > NARTE Certified EMC Engineer > > Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab > > Cubic Defense Applications > > San Diego, CA USA > > 858-505-2780 > > Military & Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Owsley > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:40 AM > To: [email protected]; Derek Walton > Subject: Re: WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > > Around 1980 a guest professor demonstrated that technique using > radiated emissions. The receiving equipment fit into a large briefcase. > > - Bill > Indecision may or may not be the problem. > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Derek Walton <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Derek Walton <[email protected]> > Subject: WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 12:30 PM > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8147534.stm > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. 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