Hi Michael I can't speak for the FCC but can say that during the ANSI C63.4 workshop last year in Detroit the OET was represented on the panel when these topics were discussed. I definitely understand your question / concern.... If < 1 GHz NSA comes in with the absorber + ANSI C63.5:2006 antenna factors AND if it meets the CISPR 16 requirement, my hope is that site with significant OFA might make it with maybe a little extra help maybe around turntable / etc - anything else sticking up [CISPR VSWR test uses omnidirectional antenna] then one site could be used for both - at least for Part 15. Keeping fingers crossed and will definitely keep you posted as I get time to try things out. If you have the chance since you are in Dallas sign up for the ANSI C63.4 workshop on Friday before the Symposium in Austin. It was really informative. Not attending that one this year but planning on going to the antenna cal one on Saturday. Good luck! Best regards, Mac Elliott [ ] Motorola Confidential Restricted (MCR), [ X ] Motorola Internal Use Only [ ] General Public
________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:38 PM To: Elliott Mac-FME001; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] CISPR22:2005 + A1:2005 Mac, Has the FCC changed it's position on needing reflection (bounce) ground plane requirement? Seems like you'll need two sites now, one for FCC and one for CISPR? Michael Sundstrom Electronic Lab Analyst, EMC Lead Overhead Door TREQ Center, Dallas [email protected] OFC: 214-579-6312 CELL: 940-390-3644 KB5UKT Elliott Mac-FME001 <[email protected]> 06/16/2009 09:14 AM Please respond to Elliott Mac-FME001 <[email protected]> To [email protected] cc Subject Re: [PSES] CISPR22:2005 + A1:2005 Hey Tim / group I don't know whether or not this would meet the CISPR requirements but may be a place to start. The proposed ANSI C63.4 revision [that I saw last year] requires meeting the CISPR 16-1-4 requirements or alternately using absorber that is at least 20 dB down for freqs over 1 GHz [not sure what the upper range is off hand]. The requirements is a 2.4m * 2.4m for 3m OATS and proportionally larger for larger sites - which for a 10m site comes out to 8m*8m - quite a large footprint. There are companies out there that state that their absorber that meets these criteria will be weather [rain and sun] resistant and should retain their electrical characteristics for 5 years or maore - but they are quite expensive - especially for a 10m site.... This company has plastic anchors that you can attach to your ground plane to keep the absorber in place. I have done some preliminary experimentation on my 3m site with the absorber and it seems that - except for a few points - NSA comes in under 1GHz with the absorber down. May even improve. Challenged my thinking on the perfect site model and NSA curves because I thought a perfect reflection was included. Was told this would be the case but needed to see it myself. I want to repeat the tests using only ANSI C63.5 2006 antenna factors and see how it works out - maybe those few troublesome spots will come in. [if I can get site time for experimentation!.]. Would like to do these tests before the Symposium hopefully. Maybe an OATS that has a significant OFA with these absorbers would meet the CISPR requirements. If the experimentation I describe above is favorable I plan to try that as a next step and will keep the forum posted . If anyone can think of reasons that the solution above could not meet the CISPR requirements would like to hear them as well. Anyway, hope this helps Best regards, Mac Elliott [ ] General Public ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 7:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: CISPR22:2005 + A1:2005 Hello Group, I have a question on the new CISPR22 ammendment that becomes effective 10-2010. It requires free space emission measurements above 1GHz. This is typically done with ferrite absorber on the chamber floor. How does one address this issue when testing on a 10 meter OATS? Are there any site modifications needed? The OATS uses a mesh (chicken wire) for the ground plane instead of solid metal panels. Please also advise if there is any new site validation requirements to do testing above 1GHz. In the past, if NSA is passing below 1GHz, the site would be valid for testing above 1GHz. Thanks, Tim Pierce TAP Engineering & Associates ________________________________ An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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