MIL-STD-461F deals with this just the opposite of what you say - increases the sweep speed and puts analyzer in max or peak hold mode. The total time taking the multiple fast sweeps must be at least as long as using the default sweep times for a single sweep. The idea is to specifically catch signals which are time synchronized, not frequency stable, relative to the analyzer bandwidth. Ken Javor
Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: "Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)" <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:03:52 +0100 > To: Derek Walton <[email protected]>, John Woodgate <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Conversation: Dimmer Switch > Subject: RE: Dimmer Switch > > Hi All, > > I think that I would describe it as the following, > > Every t=1/50 seconds current flows and this has a fast rise time. The > net effect is a comb occurring in the frequency domain every 50Hz, > however, this comb only appears every 1/50 (=20)ms. > > If the sweep is, say 20ms for the whole screen - then one, possibly 2 of > these time domain events will show on the screen. > > In order to correctly display this type of signal, the sweep time should > be slowed and the frequency range adjusted until each 50Hz element is > displayed. > > A quick answer to something that could take a lot of explaining - may > mean that there are limitations to the answer! > > Regards > Tim > (Off home now) > > ************************ > > Tim Haynes A1N10 > > Electromagnetic Engineering Specialist > > SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems > > 300 Capability Green > > Luton LU1 3PG > > ( Tel : +44 (0)1582 886239 > > 7 Fax : +44 (0)1582 795863 > > ) Mob : +44 (0)7703 559 310 > > * E-mail : [email protected] > > P Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > There are 10 types of people in the world-those who understand binary > and those who don't. J. Paxman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek > Walton > Sent: 13 May 2009 16:04 > To: John Woodgate > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Dimmer Switch > > *** WARNING *** > > This message has originated outside your organisation, > either from an external partner or the Global Internet. > Keep this in mind if you answer this message. > > > I think you are missing th point John, I'm not saying harmonics aren't > there: I've stressed harmonic rich as much as I can..... > > It's all down to what you see on the display of the SA, and thats sweep > time dependent. Ken describes that well. > > The lines that appear on the display are spaced on sweep time not > frequency. > > It would be useful to show graphs on the group! > > Cheers, > > Derek. > > > John Woodgate wrote: >> In message <c630442d.4265c%[email protected]>, dated Wed, 13 > >> May 2009, Ken Javor <[email protected]> writes: >> >>> Have to admit to being confused by the Woodgate-Walton discussion. >>> The way I see it, the dimmer switch is indeed generating a harmonic >>> rich signal. The spectrum analyzer, due to the required EMC >>> bandwidths, doesn't show each individual harmonic - the bandwidth is >>> wider than the harmonic spacing. Therefore the dimmer switch is >>> creating what appears to be broadband noise, as long as your >>> reference point is audio frequency bandwidths necessary for radio >>> communications, and by extension EMI measurements. >> >> I agree. 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