Thanks that did it! Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261
From: Ken Wyatt <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 13:37:35 -0600 To: Ken Javor <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Possible implementation of Image Plane to reduce radiated emissions Hi Ken, In accordance with the original (1998?) Ott, et al, paper, you need to bond the image plane to the I/O cable shield(s), power return, and Ethernet ground shell at the cable egress. I believe Henry Ott has the original paper downloadable from his web site. Cheers, Ken Kenneth Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services LLC Woodland Park, CO [email protected] www.emc-seminars.com <http://www.emc-seminars.com> (Sent from my iPad) On Sep 22, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Ken Javor <[email protected]> wrote: > Possible implementation of Image Plane to reduce radiated emissions Am working > a small plastic box that is failing FCC Class B radiated emissions 30 400 > MHz. Box input power is 12 Vdc; it converts that to 5 Vdc (not isolated 5 > Vrtn is 12 Vrtn) using a small PCB dc/dc converter. The 5 Vdc is in turn > routed using wire pairs to three load boards with digital circuitry. Each of > these boards is off-the-shelf; i.e., non-modifiable. > > Applied decoupling caps at each board power entry point and at the 12 Vdc > entry point to the dc/dc converter and that helped some, but the box is > generating significant common mode noise current from 30 to 400+ MHz on the 12 > Vdc input, which is causing RE problems. Inserting a common mode choke or rf > bead doesn't help here because the impedance at source and load is very high > (80 cm above ground and the 12 Vdc is floated from ground as well). > > Am wondering if an image plane here is the solution to providing a local > reference for the cm current to locally circulate. If so, is there any > connection between a board 5 Vrtn and the image plane, or is it totally > floated from the culprit PCB? Keep in mind this will not be an extra plane in > the stack up, but a separate foil or similar laid as close as possible to the > culprit PCB. How close is close enough? > > There is one other interface: Ethernet. That also has some cm current. Does a > filtered female Ethernet jack require reference to an image plane, or is the 5 > Vrtn ground plane sufficient (or even necessary)? > > Thank you, > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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