Not all of UL is Not-For-Profit.  The UL organization started creating the 
different business units as profit driven organizations some time ago.  A 
couple years ago there was rumor of them dropping the Not-For-Profit moniker.  
I am not sure what happened with that.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PSES] UL 1699B where art thou

Subject Outlines are being sold!? 

Shall I compose an ode to the wonders of Not-For-Profit organizations?

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aldous, Scott
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:05 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: UL 1699B where art thou

UL 1699B, the outline of investigation, is indeed available for general 
purchase. I bought a copy. My company is not a UL client nor are we on the STP. 
Maybe I misunderstood you.

Scott Aldous
Compliance Engineer
AE Solar Energy

  +1.970.492.2065 Direct
  +1.970.407.5872 Fax
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1625 Sharp Point Drive
Fort Collins, CO 80525

www.advanced-energy.com/solarenergy

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 5:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: UL 1699B where art thou

1669B is not a standard and has not been released - it was issued as an outline 
on 29Apr2011 is not available for general purchase, and a bulletin was issued 
May2011. Both are available for free to UL clients having an Standards 
Certification Customer Library account or to STP members.

this outline just sits there,
 the computer screen that glares.
 it mocks me,
 it taunts me.
my eyes squint into the far-away,
 pixels for beads of darkness,
 that is this outline. 
and yet, I wait. 
I will wait for the standard.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Aldous, Scott [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:21 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: UL 1699B where art thou

UL1699B is published and available for purchase. You can search for it on 
www.comm-2000.com. Make sure you select "UL Outlines" when you search on it.

Scott Aldous
Compliance Engineer
AE Solar Energy

  +1.970.492.2065 Direct
  +1.970.407.5872 Fax
  +1.541.312.3832 Main
[email protected]


1625 Sharp Point Drive
Fort Collins, CO 80525

www.advanced-energy.com/solarenergy

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: UL 1699B where art thou

Anyone on the 1699 STP?

Am attempting to determine status of UL1699B. Silence since approx May 2011, 
and next NEC will probably include both serial and parallel arc detect in 
article 690.

And as typical, the assigned engineer from a well-known 'non-profit'
organization will not answer any questions.

thanks,
Brian

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