Thanks to all that have responded - overwhelming responses with very insightful information. I will continue my investigation into my customers problems with this directive which (in my opinion) is somewhat undefined or is lacking exactness. This in turn propagates misinterpretation.
Thanks to all, Mark From: John Cotman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 12:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Declaration of Conformity It is a requirement of the Machinery Directive that a copy of the declaration be supplied with each machine. Whether it should be a DoI or DoC will depend on the circumstances, but either way it should be something that the manufacturer does, so I can't see why "the customer's distributor" has to generate the document at all? Lauren is correct - a DoC means that all applicable EHSRs have been met. As they all have, it doesn't need to list them. A DoI means some have not, so you need to tell the user what is met and what therefore is not. Crucially, the recipient of a DoI has to carry out further work to bring the equipment into full compliance, so they need to know what that work involves. JohnC ________________________________ From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 December 2013 15:58 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Declaration of Conformity Perhaps discussion of DoI vs. DoC is getting tangled. A DoI is a concept only available to the MD, and because it is related to a machine that is partly complete, it must include a list of the MD Annex I essential heath and safety requirements that have been applied and fulfilled. The assumption being that some have not been fulfilled because the machine is only partly completed. In my experience, people often misunderstand the fine point details associated with partly completed machinery declarations because they are not necessarily aligned with common sense. Download the MD guide and give it a read. http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/mechanical/files/machinery/guide-appl-2006-42-ec-2nd-201006_en.pdf Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor ________________________________ From: "Mark Schmidt" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 2:14:23 PM Subject: [PSES] Declaration of Conformity Hello List, I need some help. I am very new to the Machinery Directive and my customer received a non-conformance from their customer about their DoC. It appears that my customer's distributor generated a DoI, and it appears that it needs to be a DoC and most importantly their complaint is that it should include a list of which EHSRs are met or not met. Where or how do I determine if these are met or not. Is there a good place to reference? Any help is appreciated like I said I am a newbie when it comes to the Machinery Directive. 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