Aaaaa, yes. The line to line voltage is higher. I didn’t think of that. We would also have a 400-480V version, but of course the 250 volt NEMA connectors would not work, not to mention the hassle of trying to get them certified.
I always recommend the IEC60309 connectors but everyone complains about how expensive they are and that they are large. I guess for an international product you really don’t have any choice. Thanks for the sanity check. The Other Brian From: Ted Eckert [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 1:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Using NEMA Receptacles in Europe Hello Brian, In theory, a NEMA L15-20 with a sleeve could be compliant with European requirements. However, theory and reality are going to collide with unpleasant results. I tried this once in the past with a different North American connector. In the end, I had to get the connector tested and certified to the appropriate European standards to get it accepted. (Don’t ask me which standard; it was a long time ago and I have tried to overcome the horrible memories of the process by forgetting about it.) The L15-20 is rated 250 V maximum phase-to-phase, so the European regulators will immediately object because they only know about 400 V phase-to-phase systems. The plug configuration doesn’t match what they know. There will be additional hurdles. Even if you get through the project, (and I do mean “if” and not “when”) you will be locked into one part from one supplier. It would likely be a lot of work, time and money to get approval if possible. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 8:27 AM To: Ted Eckert; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: Using NEMA Receptacles in Europe “As Dave correctly noted, most European countries would disqualify a typical NEMA configuration because there are exposed live plug blades during the insertion/removal process. There are a few manufacturers of NEMA twist-lock devices that include a sleeve around the plug blades that eliminates the touch issue.” So if I use a version of the NEMA L15-20 which is recessed or has a sleeve so you cannot come in contact with hot pins, would their use be acceptable in Europe and other countries? Thanks, The Other Brian From: Ted Eckert [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 5:24 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Using NEMA Receptacles in Europe NEMA WD-6 configurations are generally accepted in North America, Central America and the northern portions of South America. Columbia, Ecuador and Venezuela use North American power systems. Some WD-6 configurations can be used in Japan if they have the proper approvals. JIS C 8303 includes L5-15, L6-15, L5-20, L6-20 and L15-20 equivalents. Most manufacturers with NEMA locking plugs on their equipment use IEC 60309 connectors for the 230 V / 50 Hz world. As Dave correctly noted, most European countries would disqualify a typical NEMA configuration because there are exposed live plug blades during the insertion/removal process. There are a few manufacturers of NEMA twist-lock devices that include a sleeve around the plug blades that eliminates the touch issue. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 2:02 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Using NEMA Receptacles in Europe According to EN 60204-1 at least, no. They want IEC. 4.2 Selection of equipment 4.2.1 General Electrical components and devices shall: – conform to relevant IEC standards where such exist; There is also a concern with the NEMA plugs not being touch safe, the blades can be hot when partially plugged in, especially the 5-15P. -Dave From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:54 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] Using NEMA Receptacles in Europe Can I use a NEMA Inlet Connector (twist lock type) on the back of a product for a detachable power cord (provided) and market it in Europe? Can I use a NEMA Outlet Receptacle (twist lock type) on the back of a product to power a unique accessory (power cable provided) and market it in Europe? I would still use a European Style Plug on the main power cord. Is this allowed or can’t NEMA plugs/receptacles be used in Europe? How about other counties outside of North America? 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