Scott, I can’t say exactly why they did that, but we do see customers obtaining E-mark for marketing purposes, even if the product isn’t immunity related equipment.
As for testing, EN 50498 was created from 2004/104/EC, for those non-immunity related products. The testing is identical as for E-marking(for 12 or 24 VDC powered devices at least), with the exception of EN 50498 not requiring radiated susceptibility. Thanks, David From: Scott Xe [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 11:38 PM To: Schaefer, David <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: Automotive EMC Hi David, Appreciate your clear guidance! UN ECE R10.05 is only for products that are defined as immunity-related systems. Recently I received a UN ECE R10.05 compliant report (no Conformity of Production) on a portable DVD player issued in Spain from the supplier. Since this is also working in household environment, I also received an EMC compliant report but without the use of applicable standard EN 50498. The unit is affixed a CE mark but no E-mark. Although it is NOT completely compliant with requirements, the product is deemed to comply with requirements technically. Any thought why to test to E-mark, not normal EMC? Thanks and regards, Scott From: "Schaefer, David" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Saturday, 20 August 2016 at 1:47 AM To: Raymond Li <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: RE: Automotive EMC Scott, UN ECE R10 has been in force for a long time now. For the EU, it replaced 2004/104/EC for automotive EMC a few years ago. Products that are defined as immunity-related systems require compliance to ECE R10, which includes testing, certification, and Conformity of Production. It is not a self declaration like CE. Also, UN ECE R10 is an E-mark(capital E), which replaced e-mark(lower case e). EN 50498 can be used for aftermarket products that have no immunity related functions. Those are defined in ECE R10.05 as below: 2.12. "Immunity related functions" are: (a) Functions related to the direct control of the vehicle: (i) By degradation or change in: e.g. engine, gear, brake, suspension, active steering, speed limitation devices; (ii) By affecting drivers position: e.g. seat or steering wheel positioning; (iii) By affecting driver's visibility: e.g. dipped beam, windscreen wiper. (b) Functions related to driver, passenger and other road user protection: (i) E.g. airbag and safety restraint systems. (c) Functions which, when disturbed, cause confusion to the driver or other road users: (i) Optical disturbances: incorrect operation of e.g. direction indicators, stop lamps, end outline marker lamps, rear position lamp, light bars for emergency system, wrong information from warning indicators, lamps or displays related to functions in subparagraphs (a) or (b) which might be observed in the direct view of the driver; (ii) Acoustical disturbances: incorrect operation of e.g. anti-theft alarm, horn. (d) Functions related to vehicle data bus functionality: (i) By blocking data transmission on vehicle data bus-systems, which are used to transmit data, required to ensure the correct functioning of other immunity related functions. (e) Functions which when disturbed affect vehicle statutory data: e.g. tachograph, odometer. (f) Function related to charging mode when coupled to the power grid: (i) For vehicle test: by leading to unexpected vehicle motion; (ii) For ESA test: by leading to an incorrect charging condition (e.g. over-current, over-voltage). A CD or DVD player likely would fall under EN 50498, unless it will be connected to the vehicle bus. If it only connected for DC power, CE mark would be appropriate. If you have more questions, please let me know. Thanks, David Schaefer EMC Chief Technical Advisor TÜV SÜD America Inc Office: 651 638 0251 Cell: 612 578 6038 Fax: 651 638 0285 From: Scott Xe [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 11:48 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] Automotive EMC I have learnt that automotive EMC is now legislated for by UNECE Regulation 10. When will it enter into force? With CD players, DVD players, can they comply with UNECE Regulation 10 or EMC under EN 50498 according ESA previously used in Automotive EMC? In terms of marking, e-mark is required if compliance selects UNECE Reg 10 while CE Mark is required if selects EMC. Is it the same as Automotive? With UNECE Reg 10 option, does it require conformity of production too? Thanks, Scott - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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