Well, it wasn't a totally wasted trip since I picked up treats for our dog. ;-)
120VAC is within the 50-1000VAC LVD range, though I am not familiar with 120VAC or the minimum 50VAC applications in the UK. I was thinking about product designs which apply to worldwide markets. So it ends up being more a case of designing and certifying for country- or region-specific or worldwide markets. Attributes such as power supply cost, efficiency and universal vs non-universal input voltage, as well as scope and cost of regulatory compliance for one country vs worldwide, etc. And for the television market, NTSC or PAL or both. http://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/electrical-engineering/lvd-directive_en Cheers, Adam On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:06 AM, John Woodgate <[email protected]> wrote: > Products that work only on 120 V obviously won't be CE marked, even if > they meet the EMC Directive, because CE requires conformity to all > applicable Directives and that includes the Low Voltage Directive. > > > > With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only > > www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England > > > > Sylvae in aeternum manent. > > > > *From:* Adam Dixon [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Saturday, October 1, 2016 2:39 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] [RFI] Part 15 isn't enough.. > > > > Reply to John's question about CE marking on products in US: > > Results from an early Saturday morning visit to local (Atlanta, GA) > WalMart to look at product labels are: > > Televisions: no CE marking (FCC + UL was common to all six models from > five manufacturers, majority of which would be considered reputable.) > > Laptops: CE marking (could only see markings on one unit the way they are > displayed, as well as markings are typically covered by removeable battery > pack). Laptops @ home have CE marking. > > LCD monitors: LG monitor @ home w/CE marking > > > > Power tools w/ or w/o lithium batteries: no CE marking, first time seeing > ANCE marking on one battery powered drill which also had NOM and CSA > markings but no UL marking. > > Toaster ovens: no CE marking > > Microwaves: no CE marking > > Childrens' electronic toys: don't know - got in trouble w/store security > unboxing before I could confirm. > > Just kidding about the last one.... > > Cheers, > > Adam in Atlanta > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 5:57 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert > Gremmen <[email protected]> wrote: > > John Allen wrote: > >That's probably why the products from some major multinationals (as > mentioned in the previously linked >website) could not be sold elsewhere in > the major World markets without suitable compliance and >verification, and > yet can be sold in the US. > > I was wondering if that is really the case ? Can our US collegues witness > that product of reputable manufacturers are not wearing the CE marking in > the US. ?? > > > > > Regards, > > Ing. Gert Gremmen > Approvals manager > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------ > > > + ce marking of electrical/electronic equipment > + Independent Consultancy Services > + Compliance Testing and Design for CE marking > according to EC-directives: > - Electro Magnetic Compatibility 2004/108/EC > - Electrical Safety 2006/95/EC > - Medical Devices 93/42/EC > - Radio & Telecommunication Terminal Equipment 99/5/EC > + Improvement of Product Quality and Reliability testing > + Education > > Web: www.cetest.nl (English) > Phone : +31 10 415 24 26 > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail and any attachments thereto may contain information > that is confidential and/or protected by intellectual property rights > and are intended for the sole use of the recipient(s) named above. > Any use of the information contained herein (including, but not > limited to, total or partial reproduction, communication or > distribution in any form) by persons other than the designated > recipient(s) is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please notify the sender either by telephone or by e-mail and > delete the material from any computer. > Thank you for your co-operation. > > From: John Allen [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday 30 September 2016 15:31 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PSES] [RFI] Part 15 isn't enough.. > > Dieter > > Yes, that's what the words state, and have done for years - but, with no > clear requirements or guidelines as to the technical requirements (tests, > limits, pass/fail conditions etc.) or the actual need to do verification, > then many/most suppliers appear to me to ignore those words! I think the > same was true in Europe during the period after the original EMC Directive > (76/889/EEC) was published but before the CE marking requirement version > (89/336/EC) came out and required "proof" of compliance in the form of test > reports, tech files and the CE marking - after that, things gradually began > to change! > > The big problem in 1989, and for some years after, was the almost total > lack of standards against which to do the tests and assessments on > non-military products. However, some 25+ years later, the same cannot be > said as there are many international, and even US trade-body, standards > which could almost immediately be used as the basis for realistic sets of > requirements to be formulated. > > Many multi-national and US companies already do that as normal development > practice, but in the current US legislative environment they can then "cost > cut" for the US market by either not doing that testing on US-market > specific products, or "cost reducing" their internationally-sold products > for sale in that market. That's probably why the products from some major > multinationals (as mentioned in the previously linked website) could not be > sold elsewhere in the major World markets without suitable compliance and > verification, and yet can be sold in the US. > > John E Allen > W. London, UK > > From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 30 September 2016 13:59 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PSES] [RFI] Part 15 isn't enough.. > > In general I believe that changing part 15 will be very difficult since it > is a legal (political) document and would need congress approval for > changes. Different that than in the EU where you have directives and > harmonized standards somehow separately. > > > Also the US is part of international committees and heavily participates > on emissions and immunity standards. However implementation and enforcing > is always difficult. > > And finally, isn't FCC indirectly stating that immunity has to be met as > well? FCC Part 15.5 (b) > §15.5 General conditions of operation. > (a) Persons operating intentional or unintentional radiators shall > not be deemed to have any vested or recognizable right to continued use of > any given frequency by virtue of prior registration or certification of > equipment, or, for power line carrier systems, on the basis of prior > notification of use pursuant to §90.35(g) of this chapter. > (b) Operation of an intentional, unintentional, or incidental > radiator is subject to the conditions that no harmful interference is > caused and that interference must be accepted that may be caused by the > operation of an authorized radio station, by another intentional or > unintentional radiator, by industrial, scientific and medical (ISM) > equipment, or by an incidental radiator. > (c) The operator of a radio frequency device shall be required to > cease operating the device upon notification by a Commission representative > that the device is causing harmful interference. Operation shall not resume > until the condition causing the harmful interference has been corrected. > (d) Intentional radiators that produce Class B emissions (damped > wave) are prohibited. > > Sincerely, > > Dieter Paasche > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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