I work in an environment where it is reasonable for me to assume that anything I write may be accessed by a plaintiff during the discovery process of some future lawsuit. It makes me more careful what I say, but it generally doesn’t prevent me from responding to a forum such as this. The disclaimer I use is based on guidance given by my current employer and is similar to what has been required at past employment when responding publically. I can say what I want as long as I indicate that it is a personal response and not necessarily the opinion of my employer. Despite the environment, my employer does not prohibit open communication on public forums. The employees are encouraged to speak responsibly and recognize that they may be seen as representatives of Microsoft.
I generally follow the advice of Mr. Nix and I have yet to have an issue with my employer. I can state that my management is aware of my participation in this forum. In regards to Mr. Perkins’ comments, I assume anything I send could be made widely available regardless of issues of digital security. Anybody on this mailing list could copy what I state and post it to another public forum. We don’t need spies or hackers to make this type of information more public. It can happen through far more innocent methods. The knowledge that the information I post could become more widely available, and that it could be construed as representing my employer’s views makes me more cautious in what I post. However, that caution is generally limited to avoiding posting a response on a subject unless I have a reasonable level of confidence that I am providing useful and accurate information. Even then, I find I am occasionally providing either incomplete information or incorrect information. Fortunately, the experts on this list can balance out my ignorance when I show it. Ted Eckert The views expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer, coworkers or the NSA agent who is monitoring this conversation. From: Ed Price [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 6:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Public view of this email server? Doug: How would you feel if you knew that some law firm considering a lawsuit against your company, was searching for everything you might have said over the past 20 years, for evidence of utterances that might support their version of some item of contention? Or perhaps somebody was filing a complaint against your company, for reasons completely unrelated to you, but they searched for evidence of a “hostile corporate work environment” and found you making a joke about their purported sadness in 2007? I could see that one bad experience like that might make corporate legal departments put a chill on all participation in openly searchable forums like EMC-PSTC. I think what I’m saying is that I like the idea of my peers being able to search our archives, but beyond that, I see only liabilities. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA From: Doug Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:15 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Public view of this email server? I have watched this conversation for a few days and now I am beginning to wonder what is all the angst about. I have been a member of the forum since about 1995 and the publically searchable archive is something I have used since the beginning. I find it very useful and have never assumed any level of privacy is expressed or implied. It is up to the individuals who make use of the forum to monitor their own privacy. Spam is generally not a problem but has occurred on occasion. In those cases a gentle reminder followed by a reprimand from the admins has been enough. In many ways this forum is patterned after the old BBSs or news groups (i.e. dejanews, yahoo groups) all of which were / are searchable. Best, Doug -- Douglas E Powell [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: November 22, 2016 2:26 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Reply-to: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Public view of this email server? My policy has always been to never put anything in an email that I wouldn’t want to see on the front page of the newspaper. It’s served me pretty well so far… -- Doug Nix [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> When you put a thing in order, and give it a name, and you are all in accord, it becomes. From the Navajo, Masked Gods, Waters, 1950 On 22-Nov-16, at 15:24, dward <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Or say what you mean and don’t say it if you are afraid you will be embarrassed by it. Dennis Ward This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachments(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. From: Pete Perkins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 10:47 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Public view of this email server? Dan et al, I hope that everyone realizes that in this day of wikileaks that no electronic correspondence is private anymore, whether or not you intend it to be. In this case we see clearly that the messages are archived and searchable – altho some may not have realized that prior to this time. Watch what you say – John Woodgate can supply the Latin phrase. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> From: Dan Roman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 5:34 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Public view of this email server? See the footer attached to every message: All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html -- Dan Roman [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> -------- Original message -------- From: "Kortas, Jamison" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: 11/21/16 1:43 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] Public view of this email server? Hi All, Maybe I am the only one who didn’t know this, but I found a thread in which I had I participated in a Google search. I did not know these emails were public in some way, at least enough to be found and indexed by Google. Just an FYI. The thread I found: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg72464.html -Jamison - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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