That machine is for defence purposes in my opinion. If it isn't, what is it for? Training is a 'purpose'. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Philip Stevenson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 6:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Machinery Directive Exemption for products specially designed and constructed for military purposes Dear Members I am writing to ask for your advice on the use Machinery Directive 2006/42/EC Exemption for products specifically designed and constructed for military purposes. My question is whether this exemption can be applied to a Military Training System specifically designed to train the Military Forces in the use of a Weapon System that is designed and constructed for defence purposes. The Training System is only used for this sole purpose. That is no other uses. The Training System will be installed and used in a restricted/controlled area and the instructors, maintainers and operators will be trained in its use. The Training System includes a mechanism which in the terms of the directive is classified as a "lifting accessory". This mechanism along with the complete Training System will be subjected to a documented Safety Assessment and Risk Assessment before the system is put into service. The EU Guidelines for the Machinery Directive relating to this exemption are as follows: Article 1 (2) (g) Machinery specially designed and constructed for military or police purposes; 59 Machinery for military or police purposes The exclusion set out in Article 1 (2) (g) applies to machinery specially designed and constructed for defence purposes or for the purpose of maintaining order. Ordinary machinery used by the armed forces or by the police but which is not specially designed for defence purposes or for the purpose of maintaining order is subject to the Machinery Directive. In some countries, certain fire services belong to the military, however machinery designed for use by such fire-fighters is not thereby considered to be designed and constructed for military purposes and is thus subject to the Machinery Directive Does the second sentence "Ordinary machinery used by the armed forces or by the police but which is not specially for defence purposes or for the purpose of maintaining order is subject to the Machinery Directive." apply to a Military Training System designed specifically to train the armed forces in the use of a Weapon System for defence purposes or not? If a specially designed Military Training System intended for a single use is not exempt, would it be considered acceptable for the fore mentioned documented Safety Assessment and Risk Assessment to be used as suitable evidence for meeting the essential health and safety requirements of the Machinery Directive or not? I would be greatly for the members help. If you would prefer to contact directly instead of via the listing my Email work address is [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> .or my home Emaol address [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . Regards Philip Stevenson Senior Specialist Engineer - Electronics, Advanced Weapons, Belfast
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