Hi Durrer,

Both IEC and EN 60335-2-24 were in the harmonised standard list of OJEU before 
they were removed.  Regarding the national standard BS EN 60335-2-24 should be 
technically identical with EN 60335-2-24.  Although it is still valid in BSI 
website, the HS removal is due to UK objection.  It does not make sense using 
BS EN 60335-2-24 to declare the compliance with LVD.

It is good suggestion to take care this known issue in risk assessment required 
in LVD.  As this issue is being discussed in IEC to EN standard conversion.  
For the time being, the latest IEC A2 amendment seems a reasonable reference to 
address the fire risk.

Regards,

Scott


On 21/7/2017, 4:16 PM, "Dürrer Bernd" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Dear Scott,
    
    The removal of the reference to EN 60335-2-24 from the OJEU means that 
compliance with this standard does not provide the presumption of conformity as 
defined in Article 12 of LVD. Actually, the nationally adopted versions of this 
standard are still valid (e.g. BS EN 60335-2-24, 
https://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030236214). As IEC 
60335-2-24 is not listed as an international standard in the OJEU, I do not see 
any advantage in declaring CE compliance with the IEC version, especially as 
the objection raised by the UK against the use of highly flammable materials 
would also apply to fridges compliant with IEC 60335-2-24.
    
    As risk analysis (preferably according to CENELEC Guide 32) is a mandatory 
part of the technical documentation (LVD, Annex III, Module A, 2.), the 
manufacturer is bound to consider the findings in UK's objection and to avoid 
the use of such materials even if they are compliant with the IEC/EN standard. 
Please be aware that the obligations of the manufacturer (LVD, Art. 6) also 
include the monitoring of products already in the market and to take corrective 
measures if it is found that a product presents a risk.
    
    Regarding a new product, you may still refer to EN 60335-2-24, but it will 
not give you presumption of conformity. With the CE DoC you declare that your 
electrical equipment provides "a high level of protection of health and safety 
of persons, and of domestic animals and property" (LVD, Art. 1), using the 
standard as a technical means to demonstrate compliance, but considering also 
risks that are not adequately addressed in the standard.
    
    Kind regards,
    
    Bernd
    
    Von: Wiseman, Josh UTC CCS [mailto:[email protected]]
    Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Juli 2017 21:31
    An: [email protected]
    Betreff: Re: [PSES] Harmonised standard withdrawn
    
    Scott,
    
    You can continue to use EN 60335-1 and reference IEC 60335-2-24 to show 
compliance.  Just because the EN is withdrawn doesn’t mean the IEC is no longer 
valid.  Knowing now about the plastic issue, maybe you do some other evaluation 
method for it to ensure it’s safe to be used in that application.
    
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    Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:38 AM
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    Subject: [External] [PSES] Harmonised standard withdrawn
    
    The harmonised standard EN 60335-2-24 is removed from the harmonised 
standard list on OJEU.  The common compliance route of self-declaration of 
conformity to LVD using harmonised standard becomes lost.  What are other 
options to demonstrating the compliance with LVD?
    
    Thanks and regards,
    
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