Not sure if it's a new category.  It says "Last Updated on 2017-09-15" at the 
bottom of the Guide Card.  Does that mean anything??


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From: Brian O'Connell <oconne...@tamuracorp.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:53 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Pickle

Is 'QVGS2' a new CCN?

Brian


From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 8:51 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Pickle

Hi,

To pass along the learning that came out of this.............

A fuse did not have a tight enough tolerance, but we found a UL R/C Protector - 
QVG2S - that will open before the hazard.  The NRTL agreed as long as we prove 
it opens before the hazard, UL 991 and 1998 are not required.

Thanks again for the input and help,

John

________________________________________
From: John Allen <jral...@productsafetyinc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:02 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Pickle

Thanks everyone!

Either test or re-design is required.

I appreciate the input.

John

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From: Doug Powell <doug...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:07 PM
To: John Allen
Cc: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Re: [PSES] Pickle

John,

UL 991 is a test method for qualifying solid-state circuits for safety 
function.  It is generally referenced by another standard and is not used as a 
primary certification standard as such.  Additionally, semiconductors are not 
certified individually to UL 991 as this is not a component standard.  It is 
very important that the circuits where the semiconductors are used be 
evaluated.  If you are familiar with the EMC immunity testing of IEC/CISPR 
standards, it is very much like this.  Radiated immunity, EFT, surge, ESD,  etc.

-Doug


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On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:44 AM, John Allen <jral...@productsafetyinc.com> 
wrote:
Hi,

We have a pickle of a situation and wondering if anyone knows a simple 
fix.........

We have a moving wall that complies with the maximum force limits of UL962.
An IC measures the voltage of a resistor and if appropriate, allows the correct 
current to be sent to a motor that moves the wall.
If too much current is allowed to the motor, the force created is greater than 
the limit.
We have a fuse, but it won't open before the force is created.

A UL991 investigation on the IC and Resistor circuit is necessary.  I agree 
with that.  That said -

1. I could not find any UL Recognized Component circuits that comply with UL 
991.  Is there such a category??  I searched UL's database for anything UL 991 
and came up with a few categories.  FSPC2 is a likely candidate, but the few 
Listings that are in there are heavy duty motor controllers or position sensing 
devices, etc.
2. If we redesign to not use the IC, won't we still be subjected to UL 991?  If 
we use discrete components (resistors and capacitors vs ICs) does that get us 
out of UL 991?

Any insight would be appreciated.

Best Regards,

John

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